Hi thanks for the great news!

I am installing the demo now and considering signal flow, bus setup and room library.

I really like the 7.1.4 space I can create with vsti multi mics, when they are available, so I dont want to loose that. I'd rather use MIR Pro3d to homogenise those beds with an "overall space" and spot 3 or 4 instruments as ambisonics/atmos objects and send from those to MIR. Is this approach possible or flawed?

Should I replace my VSTi out channel sends to 7.1.4 alg reverb with MIR or is it better to add one on the instrument buss? 

 

More background info:

• My monitoring is 7.1.4 speakers in Nuendo 12, windows 11, 12900k/32GB/NVME/HHD. All of my VSTi and final busses are 7.1.4.
• Currently I "construct" a 7.1.4 bed to taste from the vsti using multi mics and a 7.1.4 alg EA reverb send. From instrument bus to master my path is always 7.1.4, so mono or stereo sound sources are using steinbergs multipanner to the bus.
• It's a big template, 200+ instrument busses. The main DAW is bringing in all 500 or so VEP7 inputs from servers. It just runs FX, small amount of audio, all reverbs and no VSTi at all.
• To maximise instrument count on my slaves I have disabled all their reverbs where possible. I am not looking to install MIR Pro3d on the slaves and I'm happy with the multi mics in pairs to the DAW.

I have chosen Synchron Stage, Room 6 to demo as well.

@bcslaam said:

Should I replace my VSTi out channel sends to 7.1.4 alg reverb with MIR or is it better to add one on the instrument buss? 

MIR isn't really meant to be used as "overall reverb" (although it can serve this task pretty well, too). The basic idea is to have one "MIR Icon" on stage for each individual, dry instrument, or at least for uniform ensembles like "all 1st violins" or "all French horns". In your case with hundreds of tracks I would suggest to create groups for those sources, adding MIR instances there: MIR is a convolution based engine which tends to be CPU-hungry, especially in a 3D-audio environment ....

Enjoy MIR 3D! 😊

Thanks for the quick reply Dietz. I just edited above to say

"to homogenise those beds with an "overall space" and spot 3 or 4 instruments as ambisonics/atmos objects and send from those to MIR. Is this approach possible or flawed?"

Yes I see what you are saying. More object orientated. 

 

edit: what if my groups are 7.1.4, or anything greater than mono or stereo?

@Another User said:

edit: what if my groups are 7.1.4, or anything greater than mono or stereo?

Then MIR 3D will use this format. 😊

Sidenote: Keep in mind that the first instance of MIR always and exclusively defines the format for all other instances!

Congratulations for the release!!!

I suggest that VSL should make some in-depth tutorial videos in the future explaining the capsules and spheres. And I really mean “in-depth". So much new possibilitites ... I haven't even understood the basics of the previous version in terms of microphone capsules. :D I'm also interested in how and when to use the wet polarity feature, as well as the ambisonic blending feature.

I am very undecided between Vienna Konzerthaus and The Sage Gateshead.

I already have roompacks 2 and 6.

I'm asking for help.

Thank you for this wonderful Mir Pro 3D.

Congratulations Dietz and VSL for the achievement:

being one of the nasty supporters, I updated immediately 😃 and the first feedback is quite positive.

To be fair I work with stereo set-up only, but I was curious to see if the higher order ambisonic was providing the density and natural potential improvement to the sound, beside routing, modernized GUI and iLock license benefits.

Perhaps I've a placebo effect bias, but I've the feeling that the IR are better "wrapping" the sound, and the mix of direct sound and reflections sounds more "natural" to me.

Being it true or just imagination, anyway I love the new functions like the preset "roles" management and the dry signal treatment options. Great software-design, guys!

@FrankC said:

I am very undecided between Vienna Konzerthaus and The Sage Gateshead.

I already have roompacks 2 and 6.

I'm asking for help.

Thank you for this wonderful Mir Pro 3D.

really a matter of personal taste, but I can share my impressions owning both the venues:

- I would go for Gateshead, because the 3 rooms are more different and unique in my opinion (a small scoring studio, a chamber hall and a gorgeous large concert hall) all of them quite useful. 

- Vienna Konzerthaus venues are all more on the classical music concert-hall side, and for my personal taste, slightly more difficult to fine tune at your will.

Thank you so much fatis12_24918, you have been a great help.

Your description confirms my idea about the two roompacks.

@fatis12_24918 said:

[...] Perhaps I've a placebo effect bias, but I've the feeling that the IR are better "wrapping" the sound, and the mix of direct sound and reflections sounds more "natural" to me.

Thanks for the friendly feedback! Better enveloping and and more "natural" space is indeed the intended effect of the IEM*) upscaling process. The effect is maybe less obvious in stereo, but it's spectacular in surround and especially 3D.

*) As a matter of fact there's even quite some academic literature available on this topic, most notably by the team around Prof. Zotter, who is one of the driving forces behind the Ambisonics research "hotspot" at IEM (Institute of Electronic Music and Acoustics in Graz).

 

Hello

I upgraded to Vienna MIR PRO 3D.

Vienna MIR PRO stopped working when I installed Vienna MIR PRO 3D.

So I lose all projects in Cubase where I used Vienna MIR PRO plugin?

All settings are lost.

Regards

Carlos

Carlos,

The same thing happened to me. Make sure you delete the old vst mir plugin from the vst plugin folder. I had 2 plugins in the folder the old one and the new 3D one. As soon as I deleted the old one Cubase would load MIR projects correctly.

Dave

@Carlos Rocha said:

Hello

I upgraded to Vienna MIR PRO 3D.

Vienna MIR PRO stopped working when I installed Vienna MIR PRO 3D.

So I lose all projects in Cubase where I used Vienna MIR PRO plugin?

All settings are lost.

Regards

Carlos

 

Hi Carlos,

it's like Dave wrote: MIR Pro 3D is meant to replace legacy MIR Pro. They can't exsist side-by-side. This has been done to make the transition as painless as possible (... the new version is even called the same, from your host's POV). Soundwise the difference should be neglectable as long as you don't use any of the new features.

If you need bit-identical versions of older projects you can re-install legacy MIR Pro. Just make sure that you have the legacy RoomPacks available then.

Should legacy Rooms packs Vienna MIR PRO be deleted?

Or should they coexist with the Vienna MIR 3D Rooms packs?

Thanks

Carlos

Haven't tested the sound, but the venues look nice! Pity that the stages without seats are a bit "boring". Maybe you could integrate, for example in the Synchron Stage, a back wall / panelling with lights or side walls with doors, the big video screen etc. ;)

I have some suggestions ...

• 3D venue control / movement with pressed and hold right mouse button instead of pressing another key (CMD on Mac).
• Improved visibility of the grid. On the Synchron Stage, for example, it's impossible to see something.
• Have a right click menu option for the role assignments (like for the instrument profiles).

 

... and one issue

• I have noticed when I select a preset (which is MIRx with legacy wording, right?), it chooses the right position and custom character EQ, but the room EQ isn't applied.

@Carlos Rocha said:

Should legacy Rooms packs Vienna MIR PRO be deleted? Or should they coexist with the Vienna MIR 3D Rooms packs? Thanks Carlos

You can keep them both, even in the same folder.

Hi Dietz,

I remember suggesting something almost exactly like MIR 3D a few years ago on the Steinberg Nuendo forum... Congratulations, MIR 3D looks simply amazing. Can't wait to plug it into my workspace.

All the best, António

@Another User said:

... and one issue

• I have noticed when I select a preset (which is MIRx with legacy wording, right?), it chooses the right position and custom character EQ, but the room EQ isn't applied.

Would you do me a favour and send findings like this one directly to support@vsl.co.at, please? This will make things proceed much faster. TIA!

@inthefold said:

Hi Dietz,

I remember suggesting something almost exactly like MIR 3D a few years ago on the Steinberg Nuendo forum... Congratulations, MIR 3D looks simply amazing. Can't wait to plug it into my workspace.

All the best, António

😊 The really good ideas are always floating in the air at some point, it seems ...

You were already working on MIR 3D at the time. You probably don't remember but you replied to the post and told me. Going down memory lane: https://forums.steinberg.net/t/future-contingents-playthrough-visualizer-and-spatializer/138041

All the best, António