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  • Dry mixing for distance, à la Baxandall

    [Recovering from Omicron and currently have super brain-fog - gahh! Any errors below are mine.]

    Back in 2013 while catching up with the latest thinking on loudness, I found a simple theoretical relationship that has served me very well in mixing for distance before applying any reverb. I intended to sort it out as a slick and comprehensive method, but never got around to it. Still, I reckon I should share it now because even in its crude present form I believe it may be useful to others.

    First, some science.

    The first big update for me was learning about the most recent "equal loudness contours" standard, published as ISO 226:2003 (see 1st attachment below). Previously I'd long been familiar with the Fletcher-Munson equal loudness curves published in 1933.

    I then wanted to know how I could use EQ to transform one loudness contour into another. To do that I first normalised the contours to a common zero reference level, in order to get a good look at the purely spectral differences between them without being distracted by their reference-level-related differences. (See 2nd attachment). Then I subtracted one curve from another and BINGO! Below 1 kHZ, where all the really significant spectral differences are, plots of these differences turn out to be pretty much straight lines! (See "Case A" and "Case B" attachments.)

    I was immediately reminded of Peter Baxandall's bass tone control, which has been used in millions of hifi systems since the 1950s.

    But there was a snag: these equal-loudness contours were empirically derived in academically-rigorous tests using single pure tones only. I was well aware that I'd be venturing away from science by applying these curves in any other way.

    And now, art.

    Of course it's frustrating that there's still no definitive science-backed guide to equal loudness for broadband sound (or what audio engineers tend to call "programme material" as distinct from single pure tones). Meanwhile however, recording, mixing and mastering engineers continue to produce beautiful work! They know when, where and how to apply "artistic license". And that's what I endeavour to do now with my dry mixing for relative distances. The all-abiding criterion for me is that it must sound right - no matter what way it's done.

    I tried a couple of Baxandall EQ plugins with good results, but I wanted to follow my spectral difference plots more precisely and also merge spectral and volume adjustments into a single control. So I ended up using my own Baxandall-ish setup in MeldaProduction's Dynamic EQ plugin (it has a perfect "low-slope" filter that I've not found anywhere else - not even in FabFilter's Pro Q3). Generally I ignore the spectral differences above 1 kHz, which may or may not be pure laziness. (Well, the only practically significant higher-frequency spectral differences are above 10 kHz, and since the experiment subjects from whom these contours were derived were all between 18 and 25 years old, I can't put myself in their shoes, lol.)

    I can't say I've ever nailed the volume part of the combination to my complete satisfaction. But knowing that sound volume drops by 6 dB SPL for any doubling of distance, and using the low-slope filter gain and volume controls separately, I've always been able to get a convincing distance effect. One day perhaps I'll work out the perfect way of combining the two adjustment laws in one control.

    I find that mixing dry for relative distances first is best, then reverb or room mics are easy to add and adjust to suit the subjective sense of dry distances. Spectral differences must give the right subjective impressions of relative distances in the first place; subsequent treatment with reverb or room mic mixing won't be able to undo obvious errors in the dry balance of subjective distances.

    It can be said that volume adjustments alone should take care of distance for each instrument, because the associated spectral differences are built into our hearing. And by and large I agree with that notion. Perhaps a tiny touch of HF air absorption (single-pole high cut filter) also helps in emulating large differences in distance. And yet something about this loudness-contour-transformation trick is just so compelling to the ear. When combined with relevant differences of pure volume, nothing else seems to have the same powerful ability to place sounds further back or further forward in a mix so convincingly.

    Well now that I've shared this, perhaps someone will explain why it works so well. (Oh and let's hope Smiffy also turns up to entertain us again with another of his grandiose exhibitions of dogmatic drivel, lolol).

    Finally, let's not forget that Synchron libraries are already pretty nicely sorted in terms of relative distances and associated spectral balances. The palaver I've just described ain't necessary unless you're doing something like radically re-seating the instrumentalists on stage. Happy mixing!

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    Wow
    I read your article with interest. And of course I know all the important facts of physics in connection with hearing and especially with our brain, which not only hears physics, but also mixes it violently with made experiences.
    While reading I thought more and more, hopefully this man with the hobby samples has not charged himself something that gives him especially additional problems in life. Fortunately, you wrote "Happy Mixing" at the end.Reading "Happy" relaxed my built up worries 😉.

    It's especially interesting how different people approach mixing differently. As we know there is not THE way and most importantly it's the result that counts in the end. Beginners don't have it easy because they are at the beginning of their way, which ist first to find. At the same time, one says do it this way and another says the opposite. As another option besides the more technical approach above, I'll allow myself to show my workflow here.

    How I do it
    I think my approach is quite different from yours, dear Maker. I usually draw a stage plan - that is, where the instruments should be placed. Then - speaking of the Synchron Player - I try to set the desired stage location for each instrument (acoustically) with the various microphone signals, the panners (even without extra reverb) and with the monitors. To do this, I actually always start with the default (Preset) setting.
    The volume of the individual instruments does not interest me at this point!
    If all instruments are provided with the articulations (midi-wise) and correctly distributed on the stage, I render all instruments to audio files. Now I'm free of midi problems, I'm not tempted to change anything here and there - you have to finish work once.

    In Wavelab I bring all instruments (audio-Files) to the same RMS average volume.
    Now all instruments have the right position (L,R, front, back) and are equal in volume.

    In the following audio mix, the main thing is to bring the different instruments of all levels into the "right" volume ratio. Due to the treatment in Wave-Lab, the strings, for example, are largely in tune with each other, but you have to find the right setting between the instruments in front and in the back. Again, I do this alone through my taste, my hearing, my feeling. Since I myself record(ed) many live concerts and am now 62 years, my brain knows approximately how the volume ratios present themselves in orchestras. So I never think about dBs. I turn the knobs until it's right for me. I darken rear instruments or lighten front ones until it's right for my hearing and tast, because I had an idea bevor mixing what I want to reach. Nevertheless, my approach to self-control: I always compare with similar recordings that I think are good. I therefore accumulated many references over all the years.
    Of course, if you work the way I do, it's important to have good monitoring and, above all, to know it well. Because with it you make decisions and these should of course be the right ones.

    By the way, you can find my latest result at VSL: it's only a few days old (Laudate Exultate..;-) and the Video

    Now I wish you much success with your way and above all, that you are satisfied with your results or in other words happy mixing as well.


    With kind regards
    Beat


    - Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/
  • Hello Beat, it's a pleasure to hear from you again. I enjoyed reading your comments above, and I congratulate you on your superb rendition of Händel's Laudate Exultate, and on VSL's inclusion of the piece in their showcase of exemplary emulations.

    Glad you realised that I'm not as dreadfully geeky as might perhaps first appear from my discussion of the science, lolol. Like you, I defer to my subjective senses and experience above all; but unlike you, my experience of being in the presence of live orchestral performances is not plentiful. (I'm ashamed to admit that the last time I attended a live orchestral concert was about 15 years ago!). And although I do listen extensively to good recordings of orchestral works and use some of these as references, I know it's only second best to having a wealth and depth of experience of actually being in the presence of real players.

    Yes I completely agree with the method you describe, Beat. A further reason I'm somewhat at a disadvantage for mixing is because I don't have an acoustically treated room with good monitors. Nevertheless, I constantly strive to do my very best, given these limitations. And don't worry, I can assure you that my little adventures into the science of psychoacoustics are intended to help me make best use of my subjective senses and experience - certainly never ever to steal their place in my life!

    Heaven only knows what the world of music-making will become due to the current pandemic of wannabe "influencers" on the web who simply don't have the knowledge, skills,experience or talent they pretend to have. Worthy tutors are rare enough nowadays, but worthy tutors with real talent are pure gold!

    And so I say to you, Beat: keep up the great work!