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  • I equip my way with 5.1 and I try to see what is surround in my VSL elements.

    I equip my way with 5.1 and I try to see what is surround in my VSL elements.

    IS VI Pro surround? 

    The VI series is surround? 

    Or just what is Synchon?

    And Vienna MIR pro 24? (Yes, I think)

    And Vienna suite pro? (yes)

    Thank you for helping me.


  • Hello, 

    VI Pro, VI and the VI Series come with stereo samples, which can be used for 5.1 with the help of MIR Pro/24 and the tools that come with VE Pro (Surround Panner etc.). 

    The same is true for all SYNCHRON-ized products (stereo samples that can be processed with MIR Pro => 5.1).

    Vienna Suite Pro can process 5.1 surround signals, that's correct. 

    The multi-miced Synchron products are great to use with immersive surround as well, and of course they also work in a 5.1 mix, with discrete channels. 

    Surround is world of its own and there are many different valid approaches to mixing, so there are no hard rules, but very creative tools! 

    Best, 
    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Many thanks Paul for this clarification. I see it better.


  • Paul : "The multi-miced Synchron products are great to use with immersive surround as well, and of course they also work in a 5.1 mix, with discrete channels. "

    I am unable to configure this. Do you have an example or a procedure to follow? Let's say on Cubase.


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    Hi Claude Marc,

    This is a bit different with all sequencers.

    In Cubase, make sure that you have inserted the SURROUND plug-in version of the Synchron Player, then you can route the various available microphones accordingly.

    When getting started with surround, there are no "hard rules", really, but there are some guidelines that will help. Here are a few tips around Immersive Surround (for Logic).

    Here's a link to Steinberg's knowledge base about that setup.

    Did you already set up your speakers and audio routing for surround?

    Best,
    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Hi Paul, thanks for your help (as always).

    Yes,

    My 5.1 outputs are configured, one output per Focal monitor (5 + sub), outputs 1 to 6 of my Prismsound Atlas.

    I work with 3 DAWs. Samplitude, Cubase, Pro Tools (not HD though, so no surround here). The configuration for one will make me understand those of the others, as I know them well (a little less in surround, I admit).

    It's the VSL Synchon surround player that I understand less.  If I right click on each microphone position, I don't have the option of the different channels for the different positions. Something must be missing. Or I'm making a mistake, which is very possible. Going to surround from stereo is easy. It's the surround configuration of the Synchron piano that is blocking me. 

    I'll go look at your documents, but I've already been there. It's not that. I need a Cubase template with a Synchron piano and a surround session. Maybe a user here can help me (but maybe I'm asking too much). 

    cm

     P.S. Ok, I made it in Cubase! Thanks Paul.


  • Hi, 

    Thanks for the update. 

    Maybe it was just the question about the routing options with surround instruments in the Synchron Player?

    I have attached a screenshot... 

    Best, 
    Paul

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    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    Hi, 

    Thanks for the update. 

    Maybe it was just the question about the routing options with surround instruments in the Synchron Player?

    I have attached a screenshot... 

    Best, 
    Paul

    Yes, I see. But I don't understand the link with surround, which is not a choice of proximity mics, but of positioning in a room. You would have to have right and left lateral, back of the room, etc. I imagine that in the VSL system, it is MIR that does this?


  • Hi, 

    MIR is designed to work with dry signals, and yes, it can work in surround as well. MIR PRO 3D will be much more interesting there... stay tuned.

    But wasn't your question about multi-mic'ed Synchron Series products? Here, you can decide how to feed microphones to your surround system. 

    Best, 
    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Hello Paul,

    Thanks again for your answer. My question, more specifically, was: what is the purpose of several proximity microphones in the surround. The surround creates a room. If there were microphones in the room, I understand. If not, it's to place the listener in the piano... 

    Again, it is by example that I could understand. If someone could explain to me in detail a 5.1 or 7.1 setup with a Synchron piano, that would help. Which mics for which channels. As I said, I know how to place the surround from a stereo instrument, but it's the logic of the Synchron piano surround version that I don't understand. That's why I'm asking you here. This is not a question about surround in general. For example, at another sample producer, the different microphones are positions in the room, side, balcony, back of the room, etc. I'm not saying it's better. I just want to understand the choice of VSL and the advantages you see in it.

    P.S. I just used the new VSL celestial strings. They are simply amazing. It's a beautiful work. But they are not in surround sound, I think. Am I wrong?  


  • Hello Claude Marc, 

    The key to the Surround Synchron Player is the Surround Panner IN THE PLAYERS. 

    Main L+R are panned L+R
    Main C is panned in the middle

    Main Ls+Rs is panned to the back LS+Rs. 

    Close Mics are shared to the front L+R. 

    Room Mics are panned to the front and back again.

    Check out the panners in the channels of the built-in mixer and this should be pretty clear!

    Best, 
    Paul 


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Thanks Paul, but can you give me the same thing for the Surround Synchron Piano? It doesn't match.

    We have :

    ROOM MIX
    CONDENSER
    RIBBON
    TUBE
    MID1
    MID2
    MAIN
    MAIN-C
    SURROUND
    HIGH
    HIGH-SUR


  • Hi,

    With the Pianos it is quite the same:

    ROOM MIX: It is a mix of all room mics. Best to use in stereo to save voices. You can try also to pan it between
                      all speakers. But this stream is not used in the surround presets.

    Condenser: a condenser stereo close mic. In surround panned to the front

    Ribbon: a ribbon stereo close mic. In surround panned to the front

    Tube: a tube stereo close mic. In surround panned to the front

    Mid1: It is a mid layer stereo mic. Not too close with more ambience on it. Most of the time also panned to the 
              front but you can also play around with that stereo stream an panned it anywhere in the surround field.

    Mid2: It is an alternative mid layer stereo mic. Not too close with more ambience on it. Most of the time also
              panned to the front but you can also play around with that stereo stream an panned it anywhere in the
              surround field

    Main: It's the L+R from the main mic system. It's the same as Main L+R in the other libraries.

    Main-C: It's the Center mic from the main mic system. 

    Surround: These are the left surround mic and the right surround mic from the main mic system.

    High: These are 2 microphones above the main mic system. You can use it for the height layer when mixing in
             Dolby Atmos or Auro 3D. You can also use it if you want to get more ambience sound.

    High-Sur: These are 2 microphones above the main surround micrphones. You can use it for the rear height
                    layer when mixing in Dolby Atmos or Auro 3D. You can also use it if you want to get more ambience
                    sound.

    Hope that helps to make things clearer. You should just play around with the mics an place them in the 5.1 field.

    Best

    Bernd


  • Hello Bernd,

    A huge thank you. I'll get started.

    cmb