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Great!. Now I get it. Thanks!
Now I'm going to go and buy 2 iLoks. This all makes my eLicencer arrangement feel rather vulnerable now.
Quick VSL!!!
Just trying to separate misgivings from misinformation, feelings from facts, is all. I hope the rest of the day/night/whatever it may be treats you well.
For years I've been irked and bewildered that VSL requires the physical dongle. But I figured, well, that's they way they set it up at some point long ago... and it's simply never gonna be a big enough priority to go back and change it. Restructuring the licensing handling would take too much work. Oh well, too bad for us users.
But now VSL is taking the time to restructure the licensing handling... and they're still choosing to stick with the physical dongle. Oooof.
I know that iLok Cloud wouldn't require the physical dongle, but that feels like trading a risk (losing/damaging the physical dongle) with a bigger one (potentially losing access at any given moment, due to internet behavior).
Especially for us that use VSL products while performing live, iLok Cloud is a non-starter.
I'd rather have the dongle than a machine authorization. Allows me to take my license asset to whatever machine I want to work on. It's more secure than any machine auth system. And less prone to illicit use as well.For years I've been irked and bewildered that VSL requires the physical dongle. But I figured, well, that's they way they set it up at some point long ago... and it's simply never gonna be a big enough priority to go back and change it. Restructuring the licensing handling would take too much work. Oh well, too bad for us users.
But now VSL is taking the time to restructure the licensing handling... and they're still choosing to stick with the physical dongle. Oooof.
Hi all, any time frame/schedule that switching to iLok thing is going to happen? Recently i wanna get into VSL world because their string sounds soooo good ... yet i found out they require elicenser usb that i dont have. Plus i don't wanna add another dongle i already have ilok. So the elicensing system is really the biggest reason i havnt already jumped on the VSL ship
Hello,
As Benzon said, the strings sound very nice but I also would be happy to know the migration date in order to dive into VSL for the first time. I'm actually considering the posibility of buying a VSL library without getting the Vienna Key at all and just let the product sleep on my computer until the ILok migration finally happens. But my second problem regarding the migration is related to USB Hubs.
Could someone help me choose a USB Hub thats friendly with ILok dongles?
I'm using a MacBook Pro (mid2012) with only two sockets (one for the audio interface and the other for the hub) and I read that a proper hub for these dongles would have to be a powered one. The thing is that I don't know which one will work and I'm aware that theres a lot of compatibility issues. I can't afford to buy the wrong one or having to go through a buy/return process because it would be very stressful and time consuming.
Of course the Cloud option can be useful but I still need the dongle for a stable workflow.
The compatibility issue you may be talking about is with USB 3 ports as the iLok is USB 2. Some people have had issues getting solid communication between the iLok and USB 3 ports. The usual answer is to get, as you surmise, a powered USB hub. I like wall wart powered hubs and not bus powered ones so you're not pulling power from a computer port particularly on a laptop. I'm currently using a 7 port one from Startec.com that is externally powered. While I'm not on a laptop (I have a 2012 MacPro cheesegrater desktop) I need the extra ports a hub provides. There are several good sources in the US - I tend to use B&H - they're on the web.Hello,
As Benzon said, the strings sound very nice but I also would be happy to know the migration date in order to dive into VSL for the first time. I'm actually considering the posibility of buying a VSL library without getting the Vienna Key at all and just let the product sleep on my computer until the ILok migration finally happens. But my second problem regarding the migration is related to USB Hubs.
Could someone help me choose a USB Hub thats friendly with ILok dongles?
I'm using a MacBook Pro (mid2012) with only two sockets (one for the audio interface and the other for the hub) and I read that a proper hub for these dongles would have to be a powered one. The thing is that I don't know which one will work and I'm aware that theres a lot of compatibility issues. I can't afford to buy the wrong one or having to go through a buy/return process because it would be very stressful and time consuming.
Of course the Cloud option can be useful but I still need the dongle for a stable workflow.
[/quote]The compatibility issue you may be talking about is with USB 3 ports as the iLok is USB 2. Some people have had issues getting solid communication between the iLok and USB 3 ports. The usual answer is to get, as you surmise, a powered USB hub. I like wall wart powered hubs and not bus powered ones so you're not pulling power from a computer port particularly on a laptop. I'm currently using a 7 port one from Startec.com that is externally powered. While I'm not on a laptop (I have a 2012 MacPro cheesegrater desktop) I need the extra ports a hub provides. There are several good sources in the US - I tend to use B&H - they're on the web.
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I don't know if I'm using the "quote reply" in the right way but thank you Musicman691 for the info! I'll look for wall wart powered USB2 Hubs on the web. With this specific info I gain confidence that the purshase will be succesful and have me back in the music making as soon as possible.
Since I'm not a native english speaker I had to translate the word "cheesegrater" and saw some very funny memes about this Mac model. Thanks for the good laugh! ;D
Cheers
It's a shame there's no machine licensing. Steinberg just announced it's upcoming licensing, basically you get a three moth license before you have to connect to the internet again, also it looks like they're offering a one year license as well. This is for TWO computers.
With VSL, I'll either have to be online 24/7 or still carry a bloody dongle around...I don't mind on my desktop but with my new Mac M1 it would be so nice to be dongle free!
I'd rather have the security of a dongle than depend on a cloud service. Also not nuts about machine licensing either. Machine licensing can be a right pain if you change something in the computer and the license goes away. What's so bad about carrying around a small dongle anyway? Compared to the size of the computer it's minimal.It's a shame there's no machine licensing. Steinberg just announced it's upcoming licensing, basically you get a three moth license before you have to connect to the internet again, also it looks like they're offering a one year license as well. This is for TWO computers.
With VSL, I'll either have to be online 24/7 or still carry a bloody dongle around...I don't mind on my desktop but with my new Mac M1 it would be so nice to be dongle free!
What's so bad about carrying around a small dongle anyway? Compared to the size of the computer it's minimal.
Exactly! Easy to lose. Also, new laptops (like my new M1 Air) have fewer and fewer ports available so you have to also have usb hubs...
With iLok cloud, how do you move between multiple machines? Is there a limit?
I liked the key because I could just physically move between machines and plug in the key.
What if you reformat your computer's harddrive or an OS update breaks something? Can a license on the cloud be recovered? There's no way to deregister a computer that's been "deleted" as far as I know, or is there?
Also, I remember that PACE drivers cause all sorts of issues.
What if you reformat your computer's harddrive or an OS update breaks something? Can a license on the cloud be recovered? There's no way to deregister a computer that's been "deleted" as far as I know, or is there?
As I understand, the reasoning behind opting for the cloud is exactly to avoid this situation. If the license is saved on the cloud, it doesn't need to be recovered.
What if you reformat your computer's harddrive or an OS update breaks something? Can a license on the cloud be recovered? There's no way to deregister a computer that's been "deleted" as far as I know, or is there?
As I understand, the reasoning behind opting for the cloud is exactly to avoid this situation. If the license is saved on the cloud, it doesn't need to be recovered.
I see.
Also, how easy is it to move between computers? It's useful to be able to run things on one computer at a time without having to transfer things manually.
It's a shame there's no machine licensing. Steinberg just announced it's upcoming licensing, basically you get a three moth license before you have to connect to the internet again, also it looks like they're offering a one year license as well. This is for TWO computers.
With VSL, I'll either have to be online 24/7 or still carry a bloody dongle around...I don't mind on my desktop but with my new Mac M1 it would be so nice to be dongle free!
I agree, Steinbergs upcoming licensing system seems superior to the ilok from a customer point of view. Still, ilok is pretty flexible compared to the e-licenser, and I assume ilok offers greater protection against piracy. My DAW is always connected to the internet, so I will probably opt for the cloud solution to get rid of all my dogles once and for all. I hate dongles marginally less than I love VSL's software and sample libraries. 😊
It's a shame there's no machine licensing. Steinberg just announced it's upcoming licensing, basically you get a three moth license before you have to connect to the internet again, also it looks like they're offering a one year license as well. This is for TWO computers.
With VSL, I'll either have to be online 24/7 or still carry a bloody dongle around...I don't mind on my desktop but with my new Mac M1 it would be so nice to be dongle free!
I agree, Steinbergs upcoming licensing system seems superior to the ilok from a customer point of view. Still, ilok is pretty flexible compared to the e-licenser, and I assume ilok offers greater protection against piracy. My DAW is always connected to the internet, so I will probably opt for the cloud solution to get rid of all my dogles once and for all. I hate dongles marginally less than I love VSL's software and sample libraries. 😊
Steinberg's upcoming system will be a disaster. Already living through that type of system with BFD 3 drum program. You have to stay logged in to their license manager even when offline. And you're computer has tp log in to their site every few months to re-up one's licenses. Trouble is right now that time period is fluid and everyone gets a different amount of time between renewals. My daw isn't connected to the net unless it really has to for updates and downloads.Cloud is a pain because what do you do when (not if but when) you lose your internet connection? You're stuck and if you're in the middle of a session you look stupid to anyone else in the room. I love having a hardware iLok and will be happy to get down to just the one.
Steinberg's upcoming system will be a disaster. Already living through that type of system with BFD 3 drum program. You have to stay logged in to their license manager even when offline. And you're computer has tp log in to their site every few months to re-up one's licenses. Trouble is right now that time period is fluid and everyone gets a different amount of time between renewals. My daw isn't connected to the net unless it really has to for updates and downloads.
Cloud is a pain because what do you do when (not if but when) you lose your internet connection? You're stuck and if you're in the middle of a session you look stupid to anyone else in the room. I love having a hardware iLok and will be happy to get down to just the one.
There is no solution which will suit everyone needs and I agree on both above counts. Just built new PC, de-bloated Win10 from useless rubbish and it will stay off-line, just as my previous Win7 did, for the past 2 yrs. I usually download stuff over the Linux (the only OS I use for the net) and move over, using external SSD (there are some rare exception and VLS, which I'm looking to buy will be in that basket). Internet outages happen. I only have dedicated desktop PC and for that reason, physical dongle doesn't bother me even, if I'd have to use a hub, but can run extra USB ports off the motherboard header, if needed.
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What if you reformat your computer's harddrive or an OS update breaks something? Can a license on the cloud be recovered? There's no way to deregister a computer that's been "deleted" as far as I know, or is there?
As I understand, the reasoning behind opting for the cloud is exactly to avoid this situation. If the license is saved on the cloud, it doesn't need to be recovered.
I see.
Also, how easy is it to move between computers? It's useful to be able to run things on one computer at a time without having to transfer things manually.
I don't know if iLok works this way, but for other software that I use with cloud licenses, I just have to login with my email/password on the other machine (assuming the program is already installed, of course).
What if you reformat your computer's harddrive or an OS update breaks something? Can a license on the cloud be recovered? There's no way to deregister a computer that's been "deleted" as far as I know, or is there?
As I understand, the reasoning behind opting for the cloud is exactly to avoid this situation. If the license is saved on the cloud, it doesn't need to be recovered.
I see.
Also, how easy is it to move between computers? It's useful to be able to run things on one computer at a time without having to transfer things manually.
I don't know if iLok works this way, but for other software that I use with cloud licenses, I just have to login with my email/password on the other machine (assuming the program is already installed, of course).
I don't know about all programs that use iLok Cloud but for Pro Tools you have to log out of the computer in use before using the license on another. Helps stop someone from using the program on more than one computer at a time.I'm Pretty sure that iLok will check the licence/connection every 3 or so minutes.
Thanks. With the flaky connections I sometimes have, barely workable and a definite no-go if in the middle of, say, long playback. Oh well, it seems it's going to be an iLok dongle replacing eLicenser one for me then.