Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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It is all very clear on iLoks information pages, and there's nothing I can add to their description. You can also check out the iLok support page with a lot of FAQs.
When using an iLok key, ZDT and TLC on an iLok 3 is the best combination to keep the licenses on your iLok safe and definitely worth the investment.
After poring through the iLok support pages with a (hopefully) fine-tooth comb, this checks out. ZDT+TLC appears to be the functional equivalent of the Vienna Protection Plan in terms of assurance of free replacement licenses in the case of breakage, theft, or loss.
Thanks, Paul. Panic averted.
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Please show me where on their site it says,
"In the case of loss or theft of your ZDT and LTC enabled dongle, we will immediately provide you with replacement licences which can be placed on a new iLok key or simply use the cloud. Have a nice day :)".
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Don't know where you get the idea that you have to wait for the 90 days to be up before being activated on the new dongle. The only thing the 90 days refers to is that to keep TLC coverage going you have to let the iLok site see your dongle every 90 days which can be done on any computer with the ILM s/w. Has nothing to do with licenses being voided.
This was my take-away as well. Everything on their website indicates that a new dongle requires brand new ZDT+TLC, which - by definition - necessitates a new 90-day refresh period be instantiated. It doesn't make any sense that a new dongle would be subject to an old, voided dongle's 90 day cycle.
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Don't know where you get the idea that you have to wait for the 90 days to be up before being activated on the new dongle. The only thing the 90 days refers to is that to keep TLC coverage going you have to let the iLok site see your dongle every 90 days which can be done on any computer with the ILM s/w. Has nothing to do with licenses being voided.
This was my take-away as well. Everything on their website indicates that a new dongle requires brand new ZDT+TLC, which - by definition - necessitates a new 90-day refresh period be instantiated. It doesn't make any sense that a new dongle would be subject to an old, voided dongle's 90 day cycle.
There's nothing on the iLok site that a new dongle requires brand new ZDT/TLC. ZDT/TLC is completely optional for one's ilok. The new iLok is NOT subject to any old 90 day cycle. You may be confused in that each iLok has to have it's own ZDT (if you want it to). You don't have to have ZDT on a new/replacement iLok. An old iLok's ZDT does not carry over to a new iLok. Each iLok is a separate entity.For Instance I have two iLoks. Each has their own ZDT setup. I don't have to have ZDT on the second iLok but I choose to be safe and have both covered. That way if I have an iLok that seems to be flaky I can move the licenses over to the other one with no problem.
I've been dealing with iLoks for almost a decade now and know what's what.
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There's nothing on the iLok site that a new dongle requires brand new ZDT/TLC. ZDT/TLC is completely optional for one's ilok. The new iLok is NOT subject to any old 90 day cycle. You may be confused in that each iLok has to have it's own ZDT (if you want it to). You don't have to have ZDT on a new/replacement iLok. An old iLok's ZDT does not carry over to a new iLok. Each iLok is a separate entity.
Right, we're on the same page. I was hasty with my wording. What I meant was that if you want ZDT/TLC on a different iLok, it requires a new ZDT and/or TLC, thus necessitating a new 90 day refresh cycle that has nothing to do with an old iLok's 90 day refresh cycle. I do appreciate the clarification (and I'm sure others reading along this thread do as well); it's re-assuring and helpful.
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Great!. Now I get it. Thanks!
Now I'm going to go and buy 2 iLoks. This all makes my eLicencer arrangement feel rather vulnerable now.
Quick VSL!!!
Just trying to separate misgivings from misinformation, feelings from facts, is all. I hope the rest of the day/night/whatever it may be treats you well.
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For years I've been irked and bewildered that VSL requires the physical dongle. But I figured, well, that's they way they set it up at some point long ago... and it's simply never gonna be a big enough priority to go back and change it. Restructuring the licensing handling would take too much work. Oh well, too bad for us users.
But now VSL is taking the time to restructure the licensing handling... and they're still choosing to stick with the physical dongle. Oooof.
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I know that iLok Cloud wouldn't require the physical dongle, but that feels like trading a risk (losing/damaging the physical dongle) with a bigger one (potentially losing access at any given moment, due to internet behavior).
Especially for us that use VSL products while performing live, iLok Cloud is a non-starter.
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I'd rather have the dongle than a machine authorization. Allows me to take my license asset to whatever machine I want to work on. It's more secure than any machine auth system. And less prone to illicit use as well.For years I've been irked and bewildered that VSL requires the physical dongle. But I figured, well, that's they way they set it up at some point long ago... and it's simply never gonna be a big enough priority to go back and change it. Restructuring the licensing handling would take too much work. Oh well, too bad for us users.
But now VSL is taking the time to restructure the licensing handling... and they're still choosing to stick with the physical dongle. Oooof.
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Hi all, any time frame/schedule that switching to iLok thing is going to happen? Recently i wanna get into VSL world because their string sounds soooo good ... yet i found out they require elicenser usb that i dont have. Plus i don't wanna add another dongle i already have ilok. So the elicensing system is really the biggest reason i havnt already jumped on the VSL ship
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Hello,
As Benzon said, the strings sound very nice but I also would be happy to know the migration date in order to dive into VSL for the first time. I'm actually considering the posibility of buying a VSL library without getting the Vienna Key at all and just let the product sleep on my computer until the ILok migration finally happens. But my second problem regarding the migration is related to USB Hubs.
Could someone help me choose a USB Hub thats friendly with ILok dongles?
I'm using a MacBook Pro (mid2012) with only two sockets (one for the audio interface and the other for the hub) and I read that a proper hub for these dongles would have to be a powered one. The thing is that I don't know which one will work and I'm aware that theres a lot of compatibility issues. I can't afford to buy the wrong one or having to go through a buy/return process because it would be very stressful and time consuming.
Of course the Cloud option can be useful but I still need the dongle for a stable workflow.
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The compatibility issue you may be talking about is with USB 3 ports as the iLok is USB 2. Some people have had issues getting solid communication between the iLok and USB 3 ports. The usual answer is to get, as you surmise, a powered USB hub. I like wall wart powered hubs and not bus powered ones so you're not pulling power from a computer port particularly on a laptop. I'm currently using a 7 port one from Startec.com that is externally powered. While I'm not on a laptop (I have a 2012 MacPro cheesegrater desktop) I need the extra ports a hub provides. There are several good sources in the US - I tend to use B&H - they're on the web.Hello,
As Benzon said, the strings sound very nice but I also would be happy to know the migration date in order to dive into VSL for the first time. I'm actually considering the posibility of buying a VSL library without getting the Vienna Key at all and just let the product sleep on my computer until the ILok migration finally happens. But my second problem regarding the migration is related to USB Hubs.
Could someone help me choose a USB Hub thats friendly with ILok dongles?
I'm using a MacBook Pro (mid2012) with only two sockets (one for the audio interface and the other for the hub) and I read that a proper hub for these dongles would have to be a powered one. The thing is that I don't know which one will work and I'm aware that theres a lot of compatibility issues. I can't afford to buy the wrong one or having to go through a buy/return process because it would be very stressful and time consuming.
Of course the Cloud option can be useful but I still need the dongle for a stable workflow.
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[/quote]The compatibility issue you may be talking about is with USB 3 ports as the iLok is USB 2. Some people have had issues getting solid communication between the iLok and USB 3 ports. The usual answer is to get, as you surmise, a powered USB hub. I like wall wart powered hubs and not bus powered ones so you're not pulling power from a computer port particularly on a laptop. I'm currently using a 7 port one from Startec.com that is externally powered. While I'm not on a laptop (I have a 2012 MacPro cheesegrater desktop) I need the extra ports a hub provides. There are several good sources in the US - I tend to use B&H - they're on the web.
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I don't know if I'm using the "quote reply" in the right way but thank you Musicman691 for the info! I'll look for wall wart powered USB2 Hubs on the web. With this specific info I gain confidence that the purshase will be succesful and have me back in the music making as soon as possible.
Since I'm not a native english speaker I had to translate the word "cheesegrater" and saw some very funny memes about this Mac model. Thanks for the good laugh! ;D
Cheers
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It's a shame there's no machine licensing. Steinberg just announced it's upcoming licensing, basically you get a three moth license before you have to connect to the internet again, also it looks like they're offering a one year license as well. This is for TWO computers.
With VSL, I'll either have to be online 24/7 or still carry a bloody dongle around...I don't mind on my desktop but with my new Mac M1 it would be so nice to be dongle free!
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I'd rather have the security of a dongle than depend on a cloud service. Also not nuts about machine licensing either. Machine licensing can be a right pain if you change something in the computer and the license goes away. What's so bad about carrying around a small dongle anyway? Compared to the size of the computer it's minimal.It's a shame there's no machine licensing. Steinberg just announced it's upcoming licensing, basically you get a three moth license before you have to connect to the internet again, also it looks like they're offering a one year license as well. This is for TWO computers.
With VSL, I'll either have to be online 24/7 or still carry a bloody dongle around...I don't mind on my desktop but with my new Mac M1 it would be so nice to be dongle free!
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What's so bad about carrying around a small dongle anyway? Compared to the size of the computer it's minimal.
Exactly! Easy to lose. Also, new laptops (like my new M1 Air) have fewer and fewer ports available so you have to also have usb hubs...
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With iLok cloud, how do you move between multiple machines? Is there a limit?
I liked the key because I could just physically move between machines and plug in the key.
What if you reformat your computer's harddrive or an OS update breaks something? Can a license on the cloud be recovered? There's no way to deregister a computer that's been "deleted" as far as I know, or is there?
Also, I remember that PACE drivers cause all sorts of issues.
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What if you reformat your computer's harddrive or an OS update breaks something? Can a license on the cloud be recovered? There's no way to deregister a computer that's been "deleted" as far as I know, or is there?
As I understand, the reasoning behind opting for the cloud is exactly to avoid this situation. If the license is saved on the cloud, it doesn't need to be recovered.