I'm assuming VEP7 would stay on Rosetta and VEP8 would be the software to make native. Seems like a heck of a lot of work to have to do it fro VEP7 when VEP8 is probably on the horizon. It would also be a little nudge to encourage an upgrade :-)

@santamorphic said:

I'm assuming VEP7 would stay on Rosetta and VEP8 would be the software to make native. Seems like a heck of a lot of work to have to do it fro VEP7 when VEP8 is probably on the horizon. It would also be a little nudge to encourage an upgrade :-)

...along these lines, I'm reading that MacOS 12.3 seems to have fixed a lot of plugins that weren't working in Monterey. I'm holding back updating for a couple of reasons, but I'm curious if, by some miracle, the update makes the MAS plugin usable on M1 Macs.

@Dan Wool said:

...along these lines, I'm reading that MacOS 12.3 seems to have fixed a lot of plugins that weren't working in Monterey. I'm holding back updating for a couple of reasons, but I'm curious if, by some miracle, the update makes the MAS plugin usable on M1 Macs.

It does not. Basically unless you're running Cubase or Bitwig, VSTs don't run in Rosetta. Bitwig sandboxes the VSTs so they run in Rosetta in Bitwig native. As Far as MAS is concerned MOTU would have to implement this themselves and I would bet they decided that the 8-12 companies that make MAS plug ins would be coming to native soon enough. 

  So yeah, I miss the MAS VEP plug in, and hope that Vienna get going on this soon enough. 

To be clear, DP11 itself is fully AS native, but as you point out VEP MAS won't work in Rosetta.  I actually spoke to someone at MOTU about this and they said that Rosetta could only translate AU plugins (and not MAS) so unfortunately it's up to VSL to go AS native and deliver a MAS version to get this working again and it seems there's nothing more MOTU can do.  

@evang42 said:

I also use DP11 and am a beta tester and can report issues directly to the MOTU devs. What are the steps/circumstances that cause the midi timing bug w DP11/VEP you’ve found on intel???? This needs to be fixed asap regardless of AS transition.

With higher buffer settings (e.g. 1048), if you are routing a MIDI track to a VI (any VI, even a MoTU VI), MIDI records about 60 ms late. Also "Fine-tune Audio I/O Timing" does not work on these machines. The only workaround is nudging MIDI back into place after recording. I've been working extensively with Matt Batson in tech support, and the engineering team has been made aware of the bug. They have reproduced it on 2 different Intel machines, and confirmed that it does not happen on their AMD PC or their M1 Mac Mini. I don't know that it is a priority for them though.

There is an extensive thread about this on MoTUNation, "MIDI recording late", where I document what's going on in detail (though you may have to wade through some off-topic or uninformed posts to see it). If you have access to the engineering team and can help nudge them toward supporting the older Intel machines, that would be great!

Hi dmansfield!  I found an answer/fix for you on this!  In DP's preferences, go to midi options and UN-check the box called "Sync Recorded Midi to Patch Thru".  This SHOULD totally fix your issue (on ANY machine, apple silicon, intel, pc etc).  It's a setting that tells DP to place midi either 1) exactly where you PLAYED/intended it (un-checked) OR 2) where you would normally HEAR that midi (which of course is dependent on buffer size/latency).

@evang42 said:

To be clear, DP11 itself is fully AS native, but as you point out VEP MAS won't work in Rosetta.  I actually spoke to someone at MOTU about this and they said that Rosetta could only translate AU plugins (and not MAS) so unfortunately it's up to VSL to go AS native and deliver a MAS version to get this working again and it seems there's nothing more MOTU can do.  

Hello, I am just changing my Mac to M1 Mac.

I read the thread but please explain me, what is not compatible now? I am using VEP7 on a PC connected to my DAW Mac. Will I be able to use my templates on LOGIC with AU3 and AU2 VEP7 plugin? 

@Adia said:

Hello, I am just changing my Mac to M1 Mac.

I read the thread but please explain me, what is not compatible now? I am using VEP7 on a PC connected to my DAW Mac. Will I be able to use my templates on LOGIC with AU3 and AU2 VEP7 plugin? 

Thank you for saying this.. Does Rosetta slow down the VEP7 plugin or it does not matter at all? ( I mean not the slow down like 3% but like 20%)? 

Will I be able to run the VEP Server on the M1?

VEP running in Rosetta seems a bit faster on my M1 Max than it did on my MacPro. And, yes. The server runs on an M1.

The performance here is certainly better than it's ever performed, I credit the system on chip architecture.
But, trying to use BFD3 in it brought the system to its knees, haven't seen anything like it since I had a drastically underspec computer early this century.

As people have already pointed out in other threads and forums:

We need the VEP VST3 plugin first and foremost converted to Apple Silicon, the server can wait since that could be off-loaded onto other computers, and/or can be run in Rosetta as it is not as dependent on CPU as the DAW that uses heavy audio processing with effects and signal chains.

If a plugin is not native Silicon, it will not show up if the entire DAW doesn't run in Rosetta. Which is much slower than running native. So basically, that makes VEP useless for any Apple Silicon user at this point since it will vastly reduce the performance of all other plugins.

I understand that iLok had to be a priority, and that software developers (which I partly work as myself) can't just wave a magic wand, but it would be nice to have some kind of roadmap made public now that it's been more than two years since the release of M1, so we can start planning the transition. My Mac Pro 2013 is running on fumes, and it seems like a total waste to have to buy an Intel machine just because VSL can't give any information about this.

I agree, looking forward to some kind of news when we can expect m1 native support. 

Although this thread has focused a lot on the use of DP and MAS plugins I do have small comment on the topic in the original title. I have been running Logic on an M1Max MBP in native mode with VEPPro AU version for months now. You do not need to start it in Rosetta mode except when you have other plugins which do not work (Logic normally identified those at startup).  I think as long as the plugin is or supports AU it works in Logic. No need for Rosetta.

On the other hand Cubase and Dorico have to be started in Rosetta to make the VST3 version of VEPPro work.

I'm connecting VE Pro to Nuendo 11.0.41. So, both are under the Rosetta translation. 
Performance is fantastic. VEP seems to load a project a wee bit slower, or than I'm expecting, Nuendo is loading a project really taking its time, and the slowness is loadiong audio channels with plugins, most of which are Vienna Suite.

For me, if I go to Cubase 12, I may "need" VEP to be native. However I don't feel the need for that at this juncture. So, not to be contrary, but the VEP plugin here is the same priority as the other plugins once I, if ever, get there.

sorry, except for VI and Synchron plugins, I'm going to run those in VEP, period. But VS being native is almost as important (mostly because I'm having to run BFD3 in Cubendo). But again, the performance is through the roof good here, with various niggles per the UX.

Totally agree I have a M1 Mac Mini and VEP7 is the last on my list to refresh the environment of a silicon native. It's a shame that all the main DAWS are inside M1 now and VEP7 which is the bridge for all of them is not!

I demand as Vienna User a clear response under this matter.

@snattack said:

As people have already pointed out in other threads and forums:

We need the VEP VST3 plugin first and foremost converted to Apple Silicon, the server can wait since that could be off-loaded onto other computers, and/or can be run in Rosetta as it is not as dependent on CPU as the DAW that uses heavy audio processing with effects and signal chains.

If a plugin is not native Silicon, it will not show up if the entire DAW doesn't run in Rosetta. Which is much slower than running native. So basically, that makes VEP useless for any Apple Silicon user at this point since it will vastly reduce the performance of all other plugins.

I understand that iLok had to be a priority, and that software developers (which I partly work as myself) can't just wave a magic wand, but it would be nice to have some kind of roadmap made public now that it's been more than two years since the release of M1, so we can start planning the transition. My Mac Pro 2013 is running on fumes, and it seems like a total waste to have to buy an Intel machine just because VSL can't give any information about this.

VEP does seem to be brining up the rear among developers in the transition to M1 at this point. Everything in my system apart from VEP is running M1 native now. It's been a while since VSL has chimed in on this thread. An update would be appreciated - even a reaffirmation of VEP's priority would be good to hear. 

Re "We need the VEP VST3 plugin first and foremost converted to Apple Silicon"

I'm a MAS user so it would be my priority, but I agree. If it's possible to make the VEP plugins M1 native ahead of the server (which seems okay running in Rosetta), that would make life better.