I'll try a rollback asap (not in the studio for a few days now). I hope that works! Thanks for the info

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17 Nov 2022, 19:26 (14 hours ago)
           
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Hello Oliver,
 
thanks for getting in touch.
 
You can use all our samples & software on the macOS Ventura. Our software also works with the M1 and M2 chips, and it works surprisingly well on Rosetta 2. You can find more information about Rosetta 2 here:
 
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211861
 
Apple's M1 and M2 and chips are not yet officially supported, but we have this high on our priority list. Our developers are working on full-native support for Apples new Silicon CPUs - but we don't have an ETA at this point.

iLok works fine with Pro Tools, Ivory, Omnisphere and a lot of software on my Mac Studio (Rosetta).  I've never been in love with iLok but it's never caused me much trouble either.  Pro Tools is going native soon.  They're testing Beta now w developers.  

The truth is, with my Mac Studio, I no longer need VEP.  Sad.  I love its economy and organization - and I have a mountain of old sessions that depend on it. Rebuilding those without VEP will be an enormous headache.  

Last I heard, Apple is nowhere near as big in Europe as it is in North America.  I suspect this is a bit of what's going on.  When I switched from analogue tape to digital in the 80's, Apple was the only game in town for audio.
I never left the platform, although we did buy a bunch of Windows machines in the nineties when we were developing interactive multimedia.  From that experience, I have no plans of switching to Windows anytime soon!  

I think letting VEP slide much longer will be a big loss for VSL.  Maybe they should switch to a subscription model to provide enough funds to keep VEP up to date?  Avid did it.  It's expensive.  And I would hate it but, since they started the subscription thing, Pro Tools has finally started working again. 

...except when I did the rollback, it removed the VEP plug in from the Library > Audio > Plug-ins folder, and now it doesn't work at all in Digital Performer...

@Jon Newton said:

...except when I did the rollback, it removed the VEP plug in from the Library > Audio > Plug-ins folder, and now it doesn't work at all in Digital Performer...

Are you running VEP server locally on the same Mac as DP?  In my case, it was a slave PC that I had to rollback.  That only affected VEP server.   My Mac M1 is running an older version of the plugin itself (7.0.1120).  Both PCs are 7.1.1298.  That setup works, at least with DP.  Nuendo 12 doesn't work well under Rosetta with VEP plugins. 

I have to switch over to my M1 system this week, one way or the other. At the moment, I'm working on a small project in Pro Tools, which runs in Rosetta anyway. Is anyone having acceptable results with Pro Tools (latest version 2022.10.0.134) and the VEPro7 plugin?

Hoping that by the time I have a bigger score to write in DP they'l have the MAS plugin written-- and if not, I'll use the AU plugin for my VSL libraries (running on my Intel machine) and run everything else native on the M1. Thank god for DP's V-Racks...

All I want for the holiday is an Apple Silicon native VEP.   🎄

Any updates or timeframe?   

My guess is at least June 2023 - If it would have been any close to release a native version in the next 3 months, they would have given a timeframe.

@C_Caouette said:

All I want for the holiday is an Apple Silicon native VEP.   🎄

Any updates or timeframe?   

It's time VSL offer everyone unlimited free licenses to run its ancient VEP software on as many external machines as they want so that we can put all the VSL stuff on those old Intel computers we have lying around while running native M1 DAW software on our new Mac Studios. 

I really doubt that it'll be another 6+ months.  My guess would be end of year, or January.  VSL has publicly said on this forum thread that they are currently working on M1 native comparability and it will come out soon.  Or something like that, I can't find the exact post.

Btw I'm not saying I'm not frustrated, or that I'm not shocked that VEP is the last thing in my setup that isn't M1 compatible.  But they did say it would be soon, hopefully they actually meant it.

I also hope on a Christmas release. It would make life much easier. It's the only plugin for me now that is non-m1 native in my cubase template. 

@rockdude9k said:

I really doubt that it'll be another 6+ months.  My guess would be end of year, or January.  VSL has publicly said on this forum thread that they are currently working on M1 native comparability and it will come out soon.  Or something like that, I can't find the exact post.

 

Btw I'm not saying I'm not frustrated, or that I'm not shocked that VEP is the last thing in my setup that isn't M1 compatible.  But they did say it would be soon, hopefully they actually meant it.

They did say that it was in beta, but the same guy from VSL who said that also thought the VST VEP plug in was already native, so take that for what it is. 

To be fair personally, I have a longer list than just VEP: Reason Rack, IK T-Racks and ARC, Audio Ease Altiverb and Speakerphone, Reaktor, Battery, half of PSP, AudioFinder etc. etc. 

 VEP just happens to be the one that holds up real progress by forcing Rosetta on the DAW to use the MAS version. 

Can't wait to be able to play my instrument live without having random 100% cpu spikes.  M1 support can't come soon enough.

@ariacat said:

It's time VSL offer everyone unlimited free licenses to run its ancient VEP software on as many external machines as they want so that we can put all the VSL stuff on those old Intel computers we have lying around while running native M1 DAW software on our new Mac Studios. 

I agree.  I typically try to keep my expectations from companies fair to them as well as customers, but VSL prioritizing stopping a few 14-year olds from using their software illegally (iLok), ahead of thousands of working, paying professional customers is a step too far.  I put up with iLok, but it costs users quite a bit more than it saves developers (I ran the numbers in my own case over the course of a year;  developers have no similar data and can only rely on speculation). 

It seems reasonable to suggest that VSL offer an olive branch to its paying customers.  I understand this may have been an unfortunate collision of circumstances for VSL - end of elicenser just before the release of M1s.  But I also know this has cost me many hours and late nights trying to create workarounds, with little success, as it has others.  Even if VSL releases an update next week, this situation makes me question the wisdom in relying on VEPro.  For that reason, I am very close to committing to a return to hardware audio and Midi I/O and one of several instrument hosting options to eliminate any further VEP hassles permanently.  The only obstacle there is cost.  It is much more OS/upgrade future-proof than software such as VEP. 

As much as I like VEPro, it is a risk.  Future hardware and OS updates could put us in a similar situation, and this includes Windows.  Win 11 is already a security-obsessed nightmare. 

Yeah, after waiting silently for over a year, now I'm just expressing my confusion here... VEPro is the most essential thing in my current setup and the only plugin preventing me to switch to M1 native :/

Really hope we get the support soon-ish ... even if it is a v8 paid update, would gladly pay for an upgrade. Just make it work :)

Just got the note that Pro Tools will be releasing a Beta that is compatible with Apple Silicon.  Avid is one of the most cautious software developers out there.  If VEP doesn't step up to the plate soon, that wonderful, unique and incredibly USEFUL Swiss Army knife will become a fossil.   I don't need new libraries.  But I would like to have all the old sessions I did with VEP to work. 
Apple Mac Studio Ultra / Pro Tools

@glasswing said:

Just got the note that Pro Tools will be releasing a Beta that is compatible with Apple Silicon.  Avid is one of the most cautious software developers out there.  If VEP doesn't step up to the plate soon, that wonderful, unique and incredibly USEFUL Swiss Army knife will become a fossil.   I don't need new libraries.  But I would like to have all the old sessions I did with VEP to work. 
Apple Mac Studio Ultra / Pro Tools

Agreed, I'm constantly shocked that companies such as SoundToys and Avid are ahead of VSL on this.  I know that it's probably more complicated than I know, but clearly other companies are figuring this out.

@HONEYHILL said:

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17 Nov 2022, 19:26 (14 hours ago)
           
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Hello Oliver,
 
thanks for getting in touch.
 
You can use all our samples & software on the macOS Ventura. Our software also works with the M1 and M2 chips, and it works surprisingly well on Rosetta 2.

There are a couple of developers using this rethorics (Audioease, among others), and to me, either this is the pinnacle of condesending mumbo-jumbo, or – even worse – VSL don't understand the problem with this argument. I don't believe the last one if the case, instead it's just a way of confusing people.

The problem is not VEP itself. It's the fact that all DAWs except Logic has to be run in Rosetta2 mode. Which means all other plugins will run in Rosetta2 mode. Which means bugs, glitches, performance degredation, etc. Most of us has hundreds of plugins. Of which 99% are now M1 native, where all VSL related software is not.

Even mentioning this as a "positive" argument makes me so annoyed I feel it was worth permanently abandoning VEP just for the sake of not being humiliated.

@HONEYHILL said:

VSL LiveChat <livechat@vsl.co.at>
           
17 Nov 2022, 19:26 (14 hours ago)
           
to me
Hello Oliver,
 
thanks for getting in touch.
 
You can use all our samples & software on the macOS Ventura. Our software also works with the M1 and M2 chips, and it works surprisingly well on Rosetta 2.

There are a couple of developers using this rethorics (Audioease, among others), and to me, either this is the pinnacle of condesending mumbo-jumbo, or – even worse – VSL don't understand the problem with this argument. I don't believe the last one if the case, instead it's just a way of confusing people.

The problem is not VEP itself. It's the fact that all DAWs except Logic has to be run in Rosetta2 mode. Which means all other plugins will run in Rosetta2 mode. Which means bugs, glitches, performance degredation, etc. Most of us has hundreds of plugins. Of which 99% are now M1 native, where all VSL related software is not.

Even mentioning this as a "positive" argument makes me so annoyed I feel it was worth permanently abandoning VEP just for the sake of not being humiliated.

I'm running DP11 in native Apple Silicon mode, the issue isn't that you have to run your DAW in Rosetta it's that you have to run the VEP plug in, in AU, so no VST or MAS version for instance, and no running older projects. For Cubase this doesn't work I would suppose. 

 the worst part to me is that personally all that needs changing is the VEP plug in itself, I don't plan on running the server on Apple Silicon here, since I have 96GB on the old Mac Pro and it works just fine. I'm almost willing to bet that VSL doesn't release the AS native VEP version until their Syncron players and the rest of their products are native as well. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I just get the feeling that they wouldn't want to release the server as native without their own products being able to be used in it natively. 

@Michael Canavan said:

I'm running DP11 in native Apple Silicon mode, the issue isn't that you have to run your DAW in Rosetta it's that you have to run the VEP plug in, in AU, so no VST or MAS version for instance,

Ditto - All I need is the VEP plugin to be M1 native (MAS preferably). All of my servers are PCs.  I have no plans to run VEP server on a Mac M1 anytime in the next 1-2 years.