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I'm strategizing how to divest myself of using VEPro. I get that there are technical complications with how to do this, but if VSL can't keep up with the technology (and it's been over a year) then they no longer have my business. Such a shame.
are there any realistic alternatives?? The lack of urgency is intolerable.
are there any realistic alternatives?? The lack of urgency is intolerable.
When I have time I am working through configuring Cantabile to run as the host on my i7 with RTP midi to connect to DP on my Mac M1. That's my longterm plan. The downside is being more limited on audio streaming back using hardware I/O. But the upside is that is very stable. I've been running an older i7 slave this way for years.
This probably won't work for some, but it is an option, and one I know works well now.
are there any realistic alternatives?? The lack of urgency is intolerable.
AudioGridder is native. I haven't used it so I don't know how well it works, I still would prefer to stick with VEP. But I'm still not in AppleSilicon yet (but soon!) so I can wait, unlike some of you folks. Hopefully you find an alternative, even if its temporary.
… Same here.
It really doesn't look good now — Cf. linked image — for a high-priced products company.
The demo I've been running lately on my brand new Mac Studio clearly presents pops and glitches when I run even a small session. Compare to other software and libs, that's awkward; but maybe not… if you add Rosetta to the equation.
Now every time I want to buy a VSL product, I'm very hesitant: for instance, I could be on the verge of jumping for MIR … but… Will I regret putting an extra 1K in this company in 6 months?
are there any realistic alternatives?? The lack of urgency is intolerable.
AudioGridder is native. I haven't used it so I don't know how well it works, I still would prefer to stick with VEP. But I'm still not in AppleSilicon yet (but soon!) so I can wait, unlike some of you folks. Hopefully you find an alternative, even if its temporary.
I began exploring Audiogridder (silicon native) with Cubase Pro 12 today on a Mac Studio (M1 Max) as my DAW computer, and a 2013 Mac Pro and 2018 Mac Mini as farms. Audiogridder is working beautifully, with the added (and significant) bonus of letting me use effects (CPU-hungry reverbs etc) residing in the farms. There are several Youtube videos on the subject. Oh, and Audiogridder is available for free. As I've only now started exploring this avenue, my remarks reflect a very optimistic assessment, but nothing more, at least for the moment. Having said that, I have a project that can no longer wait, and VSL's schedule is a mystery, so I must move on to Audiogridder. I had hoped otherwise.
What generated this list of what plugins are running AS native, or not, in your system?… Same here.
It really doesn't look good now — Cf. linked image — for a high-priced products company.The demo I've been running lately on my brand new Mac Studio clearly presents pops and glitches when I run even a small session. Compare to other software and libs, that's awkward; but maybe not… if you add Rosetta to the equation.
Now every time I want to buy a VSL product, I'm very hesitant: for instance, I could be on the verge of jumping for MIR … but… Will I regret putting an extra 1K in this company in 6 months?
I fully agree and it makes me mad that they did not do until today, October 18th. Maybe they sell it to us as a Christmas Gift.
Wait, what did they do today? I don't see a native version yet.
Also, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but Sound Toys (the slowest tech company in the world, lol), beat Vienna to the M1 Native punch. VEP is now officially the last plugin I own that is not M1 Native.
What generated this list of what plugins are running AS native, or not, in your system?… Same here.
It really doesn't look good now — Cf. linked image — for a high-priced products company.The demo I've been running lately on my brand new Mac Studio clearly presents pops and glitches when I run even a small session. Compare to other software and libs, that's awkward; but maybe not… if you add Rosetta to the equation.
Now every time I want to buy a VSL product, I'm very hesitant: for instance, I could be on the verge of jumping for MIR … but… Will I regret putting an extra 1K in this company in 6 months?
I came across this today and remembered where I first saw it...
https://github.com/DigiDNA/Silicon
Wait, what did they do today? I don't see a native version yet. Also, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but Sound Toys (the slowest tech company in the world, lol), beat Vienna to the M1 Native punch. VEPis now officially the last pluginI own that is not M1 Native.Please inform us VSL Team. It's almost 2 years since m1 machines released.
Hi there!
We are currently in the process of finishing and testing Apple Silicon compatibility for our software.
We can't announce an ETA yet, but we'll let you know as soon as we are confident everything works as expected.Best, Ben
Thanks for the update!
I wouldn't go that far. It seemed 'imminent' a year ago when I bought my M1. I'm sticking with 'eventually'. My official guess is Q1 2023..... that's great news that it's 'imminent'.
I wonder what performance gains might be expected ?
We are currently in the process of finishing and testing Apple Silicon compatibility for our software.
Ofd course things can pop up and send it back to alpha but December sounds reasonable to predict. My issue is I suspect they just "had" to get all of their products besides VEP AS ready as well, which makes it slow to fruition. :-/
Well, they should know, we would be happy to pay for the upgrade. I don't know how it is for Vienna, but there are a LOT of Apple users doing audio. - at least in North America. When I started my studio (eighties), it was the only game in town. It's possible there is a concern that, with the tremendous increase in machine ability, Vienna Ensemble Pro might be suffering from 'writing on the wall' syndrome. As in, there's not a lot of need for it. Having a Mac Studio Ultra I can see that, but I would still use VEP.
I just wish someone would find something better - less rickety and cranky - than Kontakt. I would pay big money for that!
Or for all virtual instrument folks to switch to dedicated plugins - as many are doing - which I AM paying big $$$ for.
Case in point - I'd been wrestling with VEP and the dreaded Kontakt for two days - which is a LOT of time at 74 - trying to get the outputs working correctly. Out of habit and being an old timer, I always do individual outs for audio. Nothing was working. In a combo of fury and panic I decided to try bypassing VEP and just running Kontakt - figuring my machine - Mac Studio Ultra - could handle it. Sure enough! After dealing with the incredible convoluted weirdness of Kontakt's tedious take on output architecture, I got it all working in about an hour.
This doesn't mean I don't miss or won't keep using VEP. If nothing else, it's a great organizing tool and, once set up, it's incredibly plug and play.
If I was a Vienna CEO, I wouldn't drag my feet too long on the VEP / Silicon problem.
And I would design a better alternative to Kontakt. They would have to widen the doors of their bank to make room for all the money they're hauling in. The competition in orchestral virtual instruments is profound, but there's only one Kontakt and, to me, it's a sitting duck.
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