Hello Andi

We are waiting since 4 years for Dorico's expression maps !

Happy to know you are working on it

What about VI libs ?

Best

Cyril

Hello Cyril!

Currently there are no plans to create Dorico Expression Maps for our VI libraries in the nearer future.

Best regards,
Andi

Hi Andi, Cyril - 

Thanks for responding. 

Andi:  Am I missing something, or do we already have expression maps for the 'big one', i.e., Synchron Strings?  I'm a hobbyist, so not as familiar with what's out there as some of your customers.  If not, are you planning on making such an expression map?   Or is it perhaps not worth it, i.e., it will be very difficult to automate the full expression of the library even with the expression maps in Dorico, and one is better off working in Cubase?  Or does Dorico have the ability (through controllers, etc. on top of key switches) to access the full palette of VSL, and this is just a matter of not having the resources to create the expression maps?  

My dream (as a hobbyist for 30 years) is to be able to access all of the verisimilitude available in these libraries without having to program extensively, or even, at all - just write the music a la Staffpad and the 'interpretation engine' takes over, with a few controls available for drawing curves, etc.  

My offer to crowd fund the effort stands!  Perhaps I am naively underestimating the scale of the effort...

All the best, 

Eric

Hello Eric!

The Dorico Expression Maps for the SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions will be the first ones that we release. Some users have made Dorico Expression Maps for other libraries and posted about them here on the forum.

Before we think about what libraries might be next to create Dorico Expression Maps for, we have to finish the ones for SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions, check out how much demand is there and how they are received.

Best regards,
Andi

@fanagiga said:

Am I missing something, or do we already have expression maps for the 'big one', i.e., Synchron Strings?  

Hi Eric,

I think you know this, but to be sure: Paul Walmsley from Steinberg created an expression map for Synchron Strings. Here is a link.

Synchron Strings Expression map

Hey MMKA - 

I wasn't aware of that particular set.  Thanks for the link!

Happy composing, 

Eric

I would kick in $100 (US) to get Expression Maps for Solo Strings.

Hey EricNJ et al -

I'll re-designate my original $1k for just solo strings too!  There have to be some experts out there that can get this one done?  Conditions:  Veracity/quality to be confirmed by Andi!

Happy composing everyone..., 

Eric

why on earth would you want to crowdfund something like this when a few people have already created maps and have made them available for free download on the Dorico forum.  Of course the natural answer is that you want the highest quality. The problem is that many of the libraries are so complex that everyone will use them in different ways. I'm perfectly happy with my own sy-ed solo strings maps and if I used anyone else's would certainly have to adjust them to my own tastes. Likewise, I would expect anyone using mine to also make  adjustments to suit their own requirements as this is a complex library which can be configured in many different ways. That's not to say that a library with strong input and quality-checking by VSL wouldn't be valuable -- of course it would.

Having said that, I'm interested what the "official" VSL maps for the rather simpler Synchron-ized SE will be like when they are released, (maybe next Wednesday along with the video). I do hope they support all the latest features in Dorico as that will make it easier to see if I might have missed a trick or two when designing my own. And I'm sure they will be invaluable for those who don't have the time or inclination to go down that road.

As far as I can tell there is nothing currently available for Solo Strings - that is my need.

Hello,

I don't know if you're looking for VI or Synchron, but for information Dorico Expression Maps for Synchron Solo Strings can be found here:

https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=246&t=191899

Regards,

Gil.

as well as Gil's suggestion, you can try out my latest (and a previous version) here https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1018457#p1018457

In theory, all the maps are supposed by collected by the Dorico board into one single sticky (which you may well have seen) but it is far from complete so you need to hunt around a bit. I repeat my caution that the Solo Strings are too complex for any single map to provide all the answers to everyone and most will want to modify a few things at least according to taste. Mine are based on the "Basic" template but with modifications and are designed primarily for the classical string quartet/quintet/sextet.

For VI there are to my knowledge, only the Cubase maps, though I could be wrong. VSL are not going to support VI maps from what I understand.

@fanagiga said:

Hey EricNJ et al -

I'll re-designate my original $1k for just solo strings too!  There have to be some experts out there that can get this one done?  Conditions:  Veracity/quality to be confirmed by Andi!

Happy composing everyone..., 

Eric

Hi Eric -

Is your offer of $1k for solo strings still on the table?   If yes, I am willing to reach out to Daniel @ Dorico and see if it is OK to post this on the Dorico Forum

This will be of interest:

https://www.articulate-preset.com/articulate-map

I've spent some time looking at this today and it's obvious a lot of work has gone into it. I urge Dorico VIPro users to investigate as the alternatives are not that numerous to the best of my knowledge.

Did you purchase, or just using the demo?

Yes, a lot of work! I'm sort of disapointed they used Program change instead off CCs to switch matrices.

These days I'm mostly a user of the Synchron-ized libraries (apart from anything else, they're easier to programme in Dorico, I think) so haven't purchased anything as yet but I know that many still swear by the VI versions and it's obvious this is a labour of love.

Hello,

About the Dorico Articulate Map for VI instruments, you can check this Dorico forum thread for more information:

https://forums.steinberg.net/t/introducing-the-new-articulate-map-complete-dorico-support-of-most-of-the-vsl-super-package/679150

Regards,

Gil.

Hello,

I downloaded the articulation maps for the solo strings, a lot of the available VSL patches are listed in the Dorico  Notations toolbox. Did not get it to work yet, but I am still familiarizing with Dorico, and possibly due to confusing, for me, naming

Gerard