Synchron micro-tuning

[Yazan]

Hello Paul

Are we going to see the micro-tuning feature soon on Synchron?

Thanks

[Paul]

Hi Yazan, 

It's not on the immediate to-do-list, but it's on the list. Will take a little more time. 

Best,
Paul

[Yazan]

@Paul said:

Hi Yazan,

It's not on the immediate to-do-list, but it's on the list. Will take a little more time.

Best,
Paul

Hello again @Paul
hope your are doing well,,,

I heard that you are working on enabling tuning systems, I would love to get an experimental build to try the tuning system on Synchron.

Thanks
Yazan

[six_minds]

Hi I just was curious whether there was any updates on this topic? having a Scala import or some sort of Sync with the ODD sound MTS plugins would be incredible -

[ManfredV]

Tuning support is just around the corner, featuring scl/kbm, MTS and MTS-ESP. I am doing a last round of beta tests, and expect the release within the next two weeks!

[PaoloT]

(Beta-testing these things takes a lot of time.

The developer: "So, how is the new features working?"

A beta-tester: "Not yet too well. The instruments always goes out of tune!")

[six_minds]

@ManfredV said:

Tuning support is just around the corner, featuring scl/kbm, MTS and MTS-ESP. I am doing a last round of beta tests, and expect the release within the next two weeks!

amazing - am very happy to hear this! I'm guessing as well owing to the MTS solution that there will be support for > 12 notes per octave, unlike on the VIPRO player?

thanks!

[ManfredV]

Yes, the Synchron player will be able to handle more than 12 notes per octave. There will even be some built-in scales that feature this, e.g., 19TET and 24TET!

[PaoloT]

Yay! I've already prepared my incense sticks!

[PaoloT]

By the way: how moving is it, that this comes out just a little after the transfiguration of Lou Harrison?

Paolo

[mducharme]

@ManfredV said:

Tuning support is just around the corner, featuring scl/kbm, MTS and MTS-ESP. I am doing a last round of beta tests, and expect the release within the next two weeks!

Will this work with Dorico's microtonality support?

[ManfredV]

@mducharme said:

@ManfredV said:

Tuning support is just around the corner, featuring scl/kbm, MTS and MTS-ESP. I am doing a last round of beta tests, and expect the release within the next two weeks!

Will this work with Dorico's microtonality support?

Good question. I didn't implement with Dorico in mind, and - not being a Dorico user - didn't try yet. The documentation doesn't say how Dorico communicates tuning information to its plugins, so I asked the Steinberg guys at the Audio Developer Conference. I'll update you when I hear back from them!

[ManfredV]

Big thanks to all of you who chimed in with feedback and kind words! I accumulated a list of changes I will have to implement before I can release the feature into the wild, so I will have to ask for a little more patience!

[mducharme]

@ManfredV said:
Good question. I didn't implement with Dorico in mind, and - not being a Dorico user - didn't try yet. The documentation doesn't say how Dorico communicates tuning information to its plugins, so I asked the Steinberg guys at the Audio Developer Conference. I'll update you when I hear back from them!

You do have other people on the VSL team who know Dorico quite well who you can check with. I believe by default with VST3 plugins it tries to use VST3 note expression to allow for individual detuning of notes. It can play back chords with quarter tone accidentals with the correct notes. To my knowledge this works in Dorico with other third party libraries and Halion-based libraries but not with Synchron player.

Quarter-tones in Dorico not playing back with Synchron Player has been an issue for a while apparently, and I would love to see this addressed.

[Musicitican]

Definitely looking forward to this feature!

[ManfredV]

Small update from the depths of software development: We managed to support the playback of quarter tone accidentals in Dorico! Stay tuned (pun intended), the official release is not far out!

[mducharme]

@ManfredV said:
We managed to support the playback of quarter tone accidentals in Dorico

Excellent news - but is it only quarter tone accidentals? I'm fine with just quarter tones myself, but I ask because a large number of microtonal composers seem to have converged on Dorico for its support for many microtonal systems that can divide up notes many more times than just quarter tones, and of course in Dorico you can make your own microtonal systems as you wish and immediately get correct playback of it with everything that supports VST3 note expression to adjust the pitch independently for the notes (ex. in a simultaneous chord). There are systems like 72-EDO etc. If you're not supporting VST3 note expression then some of these other systems might not be supported, or support for them might be complicated by not having only to define them in Dorico but also in the player somehow, which is less user friendly.

[ManfredV]

@mducharme said:

@ManfredV said:
We managed to support the playback of quarter tone accidentals in Dorico

Excellent news - but is it only quarter tone accidentals? I'm fine with just quarter tones myself, but I ask because a large number of microtonal composers seem to have converged on Dorico for its support for many microtonal systems that can divide up notes many more times than just quarter tones, and of course in Dorico you can make your own microtonal systems as you wish and immediately get correct playback of it with everything that supports VST3 note expression to adjust the pitch independently for the notes (ex. in a simultaneous chord). There are systems like 72-EDO etc. If you're not supporting VST3 note expression then some of these other systems might not be supported, or support for them might be complicated by not having only to define them in Dorico but also in the player somehow, which is less user friendly.

To clarify: we don't just support quarter tones, but (hopefully) anything Dorico's microtonality system throws at us. But since we have no support of note expressions at the moment, we have to use VST's per-note detune information. This, however, should not pose a limit of which tuning systems can be used!