Hello, Paul,

I've discovered something else.

From f3 downwards a key always sounds double. Once when pressed and then when released.

Hi Paul,

May I please have your advice here. I have just purchased a SSD 2 terrabyte drive, and one of the reasons is to try out the new synchron piano.

However, can I just have the Piano library on the disc by itself, and not with the other vsl samples on the other drive?

The other drive does not have enough room, and it is not an SSD either, so that's why I'm asking.

thanks for your advice here.

best,

Steve

Hi Steve, 

You can store your samples wherever you like, no problem!

Best, 
Paul

@Snoopy10 said:

From f3 downwards a key always sounds double. Once when pressed and then when released.

Yeah the release samples are inconsistent in the bass.  Those ones are too loud, but most are perfect and some are too soft.  There are a few areas that will stick out occasionally with an unexpected dry release, for example G#1-A1.

I'm guessing they'll get it sorted soon since the older Synchron pianos have always excelled here, unlike most of the pianos on the market.  Those D-274 releases were absolute perfection.

Hi

Hi Paul,

thanks for that answer.  Sorry, I didn't realize you had replied. Ok, I'll check the link you gave me about the 14 day tryout.

thank you,

Steve

@Paul said:

Hi Steve, 

You can store your samples wherever you like, no problem!

Best, 
Paul

Thank you Paul,

that's great.

Steve 😊

@Gamma1734 said:

I have another issue, I find the A6 and G#6 (but other notes as well) to sound very strange when pressed repeatedly, especially in the p to mf range. I attach a file. I don't know if I screwed a setting but it really distracts me from playing. Actually I just loaded the player setting and mixed a little bit some other mics in as well.

I've been noticing the same - it's very odd, almost like a squelch on the release, on mid velocity notes from around D5-B5. I hope it's fixable as it's spoiling what would otherwise be a very good piano.

Playing on headphones tonight, I noticed a few quirks with the stereo image on the Mid 1&2 mics. For example, on Mid1 C4-C5 are panned slightly left, C#5-B5 panned right, C6-F6 left, F#6 right, G6-B7 left, C8 right?!? I don't know if it's a 'feature' of the mic positioning, but it doesn't do this on the Steinway.

If anyone has a chance, could you play a chromatic run on the Mid mics and see whether you hear the same?

You can decrease the release sample level by a knob in the right page. When completely deactivating it, it sounds more like the Vienna Imperial, more crisp and dry. That effect goes completely away then. I attach a little chromatic scale playing. It's just loading the instrument, putting only Mid1 and Mid2 up at the same level, loudness normalizing it. That's all.

I .. think I can hear what you are talking about but it doesn't bother me personally when playing.

Maybe Mid1 and 2 cancel each other out in that example?

In this clip, everything is off apart from Mid1 soloed with no panning. You can hear the notes wandering from left to right, which I think is probably unintentional.

Hi Paul,

I'm very excited - just wanted to let you know,  I've just purchased the standard library of the new piano.

Can't wait to try it out!👍

thanks,

Steve😃

Hi everybody,

I've recently bought the Bosendorfer and I quite like it.

I am however pretty disappointed by the pretty distracting panning issues I am hearing on the Mid1 (extreme), but also on the Condenser and Ribbon to a much lesser extent.

Other than that, while this piano sounds wonderful, it too suffers from an unnaturally quick and somewhat clinical sounding note decay, lack of sympathetic resonance and silent key, just like all the pianos in the Synchron collection. Not to mention the lack of a velocity curve control which, for such an expensive VSTi, is quite disappointing, to say the least.

Unfortunately, the best microphone in my opinion is the Tube, which does not come with the standard version. So I pretty much paid the full (introductory) price for one single microphone.

I don't expect the note decay to be improved (would be a welcome surprise though), and the lack of sympathetic resonance and silent key are being discussed in another thread, but I would like someone from VSL to acknowledge the panning issues and to hopefully tell us that a fix is in the works.

Thank you and stay safe

Hi, 

It's all about choice 😊

For the Bösendorfer Imperial, we have decided to add more stereo width with the Mid 1 Mic, compared to Mid 2. If you want to limit the stereo width, you can always do that with the included Power Pan. 

In general, and because it's another saturday night in front of my computer:
We're REALLY happy to hear all the input from all you piano-enthusiasts. We know where you are coming 

If every feature / bug fix was a matter of minutes, all our lives would be MUCH better, I guess. Just saying / wishing for a feature does not make it magically appear. Unfortunately.  

In the real world, feature additions and bug fixes often take longer, needs to be tested and documented. 

We have learned that promises are counter-productive for both our developers and user, so we usually announce features and fixed when they are ready for the public. 

I know you understand, and I hope it will help you to have a little patience 😳

Best, 
Paul

@Paul said:

It's all about choice 😊

For the Bösendorfer Imperial, we have decided to add more stereo width with the Mid 1 Mic, compared to Mid 2. If you want to limit the stereo width, you can always do that with the included Power Pan.

Hi Paul,

It's not the width of the Mid1 mic - it's the fact that it doesn't pan consistently from left to right. It jumps around quite substantially from left to right between octaves and also between some individual notes. Just play a chromatic scale using only Mid1 and you'll see what I mean - or take a listen to the clip I posted above.

I don't think this is by design? It wouldn't make any sense. I'm assuming it's a bug.

Thank you for the reply, Paul.

Regarding the Boesendorfer Mid1 microphone, I am not complaining about the stereo width, but about the fact that the notes are randomly jumping from left to right in the stereo field. With headphones on and with only Mid1 loaded, simply run a C major scale up and down. I can provide you with with a midi file, but I don't think this is needed since the panorama issues are very obvious.

Regarding bugs, wishes or feature requests, I honestly consider that everyone on this board has been pretty patient and understanding, it's just that it's been a year and a half since the Concert D has been released, and we have yet to get a clear answer. We had a few replies stating that the sympathetic resonance and the silent key are not considered priorities, or that it's even been decided to leave these out, but I need to remind you that the sympathetic resonance is not a feature request. Moreover, I don't think there are many VSTi pianos on the market that do not have this feature. The same goes for the silent key and velocity curve control. These are basic yet important features and I am really having a hard time accepting that the most expensive VSTi pianos on the market do not have them.

There's been a "Sympathetic" control on the interface since day one, it's just that it really does not do what it's supposed to do. Not even close. The same behavior has been carried over to the CFX, Bluethner and the two Boesendorfer.

Nobody has asked for over night, magical fixes. It's been a while though.

I personally still have patience, but it would be nice of VSL to at least acknowledge the bugs and confirm that they are being worked on. An ETA would be nice too.

Thank you

Hi, 

Thanks for the additional explanations, I can hear what you mean. 

The mic signals have not been manipulated, but we will look into the Mid 1 again. 

Silent key, velocity editor and improved sympathetic resonance calculation is on our list. Unfortunately I cannot give you an ETA. 

Best, 
Paul

Thank you

@Paul said:

Thanks for the additional explanations, I can hear what you mean. 

The mic signals have not been manipulated, but we will look into the Mid 1 again.

Thanks Paul,

To be clear, this also affects Mid 2.

To test, load only Mid 1 or Mid 2, make sure the Power Panner is neutral (Center C, Width 100%, Balance C) and play a chromatic scale up the keyboard (ideally wearing headphones).

Some examples:-

On Mid 1 C4-C5 are panned slightly left, C#5-B5 panned right, C6-F6 left, F#6 right, G6-B7 left, C8 right. There are problems in the lower register too, but it's easier to hear the higher notes.

On Mid 2, it's most obvious B5-C6, F6-F#6-G6, B7-C8. 

I suspect it's just that the L&R Mics got mixed up in some places when the samples were mapped across the keyboard.

Hope this helps!