Dear Ben

I'm a big fan or VSL, that is not going to change, you don't have to feel bad about a post, understand the context of what i'm asking from previous posts, you don't need to sell VSL, they are an awesome libraries, sounds, and great work achieving that.

I was trying to see if i can get the wet sound as in other libraries/vendors by using the VSL dry sound using MIRpro.

If all i need is to load an instrument with MIR and adjust wet/dry .. then why wouldn't i just go with the synchron? I'm not doing that much with MIR, am i? and still i'm sure just by doing that, i won't achieve the "out of the box" synchron sound.

-John

Hi John,

Your post is just a little strange to me... What answer are you expecting to such a question in a VSL forum?

Anyways, regarding your MIR muffled sound issue: There is a room-eq setting, that allows you to set an EQ only for the reverberated part of the sound. Try adding a low-cut / high-pass and set it between 50-150 Hz.

Best, Ben

The great thing about MIR is you can use defaults for almost everything, as VSL put in excellent settings for all the instruments.  Simply using the auto-recognize settings will result in a great sound.  Also, no need to change default mic positions, simply select the venue you want (or the position within a venue with different options)  and it will be good for the mix.  I became a little leery of changing defaults because they are so good to begin with.  Though you should definitely check out the various settings like "Dark" or "Pure" in each instrument as they give a lot of good options.  

so i just recorded a simple song out of music sheet using piano sound, then i used up 7 different instruments.

then i added MIR to each one of them but i selected the right venue, man oh man it sounded so good.

then i added MIRacle at the end on the master channel .. oh my .. it is super awesome.

I bet i can do even x10 times better if i just chose the right ariticulations and make some tweaks,

but it is so amzing enough without an efffort.

now my question is, do i have to move the instruments in the venue? so i'm thinking like a real orchestra players positions, so choir all the way to the back, timpany far and to the side, because MIR places them automattically and they sound good as they are but of course in arbitrary strange spots and orientation.

-John

yes, definitely move them to where you want them on your stage. The nice thing is MIR adjusts all sorts of parameters  while all the user has to do is drag the icon around the stage.  

Also don't be afraid to move players to "unorthadox" positions, facing strange directions and other things...  It doesn't matter what the stage looks like, only what it sounds like.

MIR makes me feel guilty. After decades trying to use layers of reverb and accurate balancing in the mixer channels to simulate a space, now it is just a matter of moving some icons around and adjusting a few sliders. It makes things look too easy for a professional! I question if this is ethically sustainable!

Paolo

Very well said! 😎

@PaoloT said:

MIR makes me feel guilty. After decades trying to use layers of reverb and accurate balancing in the mixer channels to simulate a space, now it is just a matter of moving some icons around and adjusting a few sliders. It makes things look too easy for a professional! I question if this is ethically sustainable! Paolo

Hi Paul,

Okay this is getting really really interesting, i played a song to some friends and they are so impressed, not sure how man of them are going to jump into the world of VSL, i can't have enough of the sound of Trombone, and the piccolo throught MIR

I really need to get new reference speakers as i think they are going to matter how to put all instruments together and how they are going to sound before i compile the sound and send it to let's say Dolby Atmos system.

When i played the same thing in my 5.1 surround, it sounded much better.

any advice on reference speakers? does it matter to buy expensive ones? i have basic ones 16 years old, KRK 6

I also use Sennheiser HD 700 Headphone but i learned about sound reflections that i can't get using headphones (not sure this is still true)

I'm going to take a closer look at Synchron as you suggested, I'm not sure what it is yet, but i have a feeling that i'm going to miss MIR Venues if i go with Synchron, MIR venues are outstanding, however .. i still think why Hans Zimmer (whom i'm a fan of) jumped on Synchron??

-John

Hi John,

Great to hear that you are enjoying our instruments!

We love ADAM speakers here at VSL and Synchron Stage Vienna, and they have quite a range of options!

They also have incredible headphones.

Synchron products are great. The ease of use is one of the major features, but we have also optimized our samples quite a bit for the SYNCHRON-ized version, and of course the many available microphones in the SYNCHRON products offer many options ... and a whole new sound.

Best,
Paul

@jshamon said:

.. i still think why Hans Zimmer (whom i'm a fan of) jumped on Synchron??

Did he?? Yesterday I saw a photo with Hans, Paul Thomson and the Spitfire crew ... The picture was made for a HZ-Strings-Update ... I think Hans is jumping on many trains ... and Stages 😉

@PaoloT said:

MIR makes me feel guilty. After decades trying to use layers of reverb and accurate balancing in the mixer channels to simulate a space, now it is just a matter of moving some icons around and adjusting a few sliders. It makes things look too easy for a professional! I question if this is ethically sustainable!

Paolo

+1

@jshamon said:

but i have a feeling that i'm going to miss MIR Venues if i go with Synchron, MIR venues are outstanding, however 

Just to clarify.  With Synchron instruments you can still always run them through MirPro to get the other venues.  Just use the close mics and/or turn off both convolution and algorithmic reverb in Synchron...then process through MirPro as you have with VI libraries.

Is that true?  

The basic sound is Synchron, and using Synchron in MIR is not the same as turning off release samples and then switching to a different venue (as with the Viennakonzerthaus Organ) . 

Or is that incorrect?  I thought maybe a VSL person should answer this, as it is news to me that Synchron instruments are the same as VI if you adjust their settings...  

Dewdman42 (( Just to clarify.  With Synchron instruments you can still always run them through MirPro to get the other venues.  Just use the close mics and/or turn off both convolution and algorithmic reverb in Synchron...then process through MirPro as you have with VI libraries. ))

That is interesting, 

so Dewdman, are you saying you can dry out Sychron sounds and start treating them like the VI series sounds, then you can use MIR like before?

Paul what say you?

On the same topic, is the SYNCHRON-ized series are the same exsiting sounds (from VI series) but re-edited to work with Synchron stage and Synchron player? or are they new recoreded sounds? 

-John

@jshamon said:

 ... you can dry out Sychron sounds ...

Hi, you can switch MIR X in the SY Player OFF and the sound is dry and centered.

(Edit: Of course we are speaking about SynchronIZED in this regard)

Edit 2:

When it comes to the Synchron ( - Multi Mic Series ) ...
What Dewdman writes is, that you could use (only) the Close Mics of the Synchron ( - Multi Mic Series ) and use those Close Recordings in MIR. Why not?
Of course this does not work with Room mics or surround mics etc. since these recorded the instruments positioned.

LAJ

Can i reiterate what you said, 

We have Synchron Str 1, Sychron FX Str1, Synchron Percussion 1, Synchron Power Drums, Synchron Piano budle, all of these won't apply to what you said,

the rest like Synchron-ized versions apply to what you said

is that correct?

and again the difference between the 2 set of Synchron is the Sychron-ized versions are the same VI version but edite and mapped to work with Synchron player, versus the other ones are newly recorded, correct?

-John

@William said:

Is that true?  

The basic sound is Synchron, and using Synchron in MIR is not the same as turning off release samples and then switching to a different venue (as with the Viennakonzerthaus Organ) . 

Or is that incorrect?  I thought maybe a VSL person should answer this, as it is news to me that Synchron instruments are the same as VI if you adjust their settings...  

I'm not saying they are exactly the same.  VSL has changed some of the samples in the Synchronized versions.  What I am saying is that you can run Synchron based instruments through MirPro if you want to use other venues besides Synchron.  The room ambience is not burned into the close mic samples.  At least that is the case with the Synchronized libraries that I have.  Just turn off convolution and algorithmic reverb in the synchron player, then you will have very dry samples playing...  I think there are some close mic presets in there usually.  Then run it through MirPro and use other Venues.

@LAJ said:

Edit 2:

When it comes to the Synchron ( - Multi Mic Series ) ...
What Dewdman writes is, that you could use (only) the Close Mics of the Synchron ( - Multi Mic Series ) and use those Close Recordings in MIR. Why not?
Of course this does not work with Room mics or surround mics etc. since these recorded the instruments positioned.

I don't have any of the full synchron multi-mic series so i can't say for sure, but yes I think if you use the close mics in a multi-mic product, then you should be able to run it through MirPro instead of using Synchron convolution and instead of using the distance mics.  Why not, exactly.  I have used EWHO close mics in exactly the same way into MirPro.

I only have synchronized libs myself and those you just turn off convolution and algorithmic reverb in order to run into MirPro for other venues.  They seem to have some close mic presets, which aren't actual different mic positions, they are just presets with the reverbs turned off.