Configuring Sibelius to playback two instances of Imperial on separate channels

[starrmark]

I have a piece for two pianos. I have Vienna Imperiale. I want to run playback with Sibelius configured for two separate instances of Vienna Imperiale, one for Piano A on the left speaker, and one for Piano B on the right speaker. 

No matter how I try to configure Playback Devices and Mixer in Sibelius 2019, I always get Pianos A and Piano B BOTH coming out out of the left and right speakers simultaneously.   How can I configure Sibelius and 2 instances of Vienna Imperial so that Piano A plays only on the left channel and Piano B plays only in the right channel

Here is my current configuration which unfortunately is not doing what I want.

In Mixer, I have Pan in Piano A set to -100; and I have Pan in Piano B set to +100. 

In Playback Devices>Active Devices, I have two instances of Vienna Imperial, labeled Imperial 1 & Imperial 2. In Sound Set, there is no sound set selection listed for Vienna Imperial, so I selected Vienna Special Edition Plus for both active devices. 

In Manual Sound Sets, Device is set to Vienna Imperial in both active devices. Sound Set is set to VE Special Edition Plus; Number of Channels is set to 2. 

Under Sound setting in Imperial 1, Channel is set to 1, Program Name is set to Bosenborfer, Send program change is checked, and program Number is set to 0. Send bank changed is unchecked. 

In Imperial 2, Channel is set to 2, Program Name is set to Bosendorfer, Send Program Change is checked, and Program Number is set to 0. Send Bank Changed is unchecked. 

So, what's wrong. Does anyone know how I can configure Sibelius to get Piano A coming out of the left speaker only, and Piano B coming out of the right speaker only? 

 

Many thanks 

MS

[andi]

Hello MS!

 

I recommend the following changes to your Playback Configuration:

- Use Vienna Ensemble instead of two instances of Vienna Imperial. You can load two Vienna Imperials inside Vienna Ensemble.

- On the Manual Sound Sets page reserve two channels for the program “Bosendorfer”. Leave program change and bank change unchecked.

- Make panorama settings in the Vienna Ensemble mixer.

Don”t make channel, output or panorama setting in the Sibelius mixer. If you have already made channel settings there, reset all outputs to (Auto).

 

Best regards,

Andi

[starrmark]

I created a new configuration in Sibelius named Bosendorfer 2 pianos.

In Active Devices, I activate Vienna Ensemble Pro and Vienna Instruments Pro.  The Type is VST and the Sound Set is VE Special Edition Plus.

In Manual Sound Sets, I selected Vienna Ensemble Pro.  in Sound Set, I selected Special Edition Plus.  I checked Use Manual Sound Set.  For No. of Channels, I selected 2.  

Under Program Name, I selected Bosendorfer, and then Apply. In the large box on the right, Channel 1 shows Bosendorfer, and Sound ID shows Keyboard, Piano, Grand.  Program is blank.  I did not tick Send Program Change.  Program number is ) greyed out.  Send Bank Change is blank.

Then under Sound Settings, I switched to Channel 2.  I selected the Program name as Bosendorfer.  In the large box on the right, it shows Channel 2 is Bosendorfer, and Sound ID is keyboard,piano.grand.

When I click Test, I get no sound.  When I click Show, the Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 box pops up.  Except for "2 buffers" at the top, everything is blank.  When I clikc Connect, nothing happens.

I saved the Sibelius Configuration.

I have no idea how to access the VE Pro 7 mixer, or where are the panorama settings.  In Sibelius, Panorama for the two pianos is set to 0 for both.  I have not made any settings in Sibelius for Chanel or output.  You said reset Sibelius settings to Auto.  I don't know where any Auto seting is located for Sibelius 2019. I have Espressivo set to Meccanico, Rubato set to Meccanico, and Rhythmic Feel set to Straight.  Use Reverb us not ticked. 

When I playback my two piano piece in Sibelius with this configuration, there is no sound.  I got sound before when I played back this score with two instances of Imperial in Sibelius.  Now, when I playback this score in Sibelius with your new configuration, the lights are jumping on the fader sliders on Sibelius' Mixer Panel , but there is no audible output.

Evidently Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 and/or Vienna Instruments Pro 2 are not generating any piano sounds.  So what should I do?

[andi]

Hello MS!

In my first response I didn't know that you have Vienna Ensemble Pro. With Vienna Ensemble Pro, please start Vienna Ensemble Pro Server first. Then you can connect the Vienna Ensemble Pro plugin to the Vienna Ensemble Pro Server. Vienna Ensemble Pro is an instrument host. So you will need to add instruments inside to hear something. In your case this will be two Vienna Imperials. Once these instruments are added, you can go to the mixer page and set the panorama.

Best,
Andi

[starrmark]

I now have Vienna Ensemble Pro Server 7.0.877 64-bit running.

1. How do I connect the Vienna Ensemble Pro plugin to the Vienna Ensemble Pro Server?  Please be specific, step by step.

2.How do I add instruments inside Vienna Ensemble Pro 7, specifically two instances of Vienna Imperial or Bosendorfer.  How do I configure each piano for a different channel for the left and right speaker?

3.  What should I do with Vienna Instruments Pro?  Should I run Vienna Instruments Pro Standalone 2.4 18067 64 bit?  When I run VI Pro Standalone, I get an error message: "Error starting audio; no such device: Speakers (USB AUDIO DAC.)"  There is, in fact, such a device, my USB speakers--which in fact played my Vienna Imperial directly from Sibelius before I installed VE Pro and VI Pro.

[andi]

Hello MS!

1. Show the plugin. Click connect. Select the Server. To learn the first steps with the Vienna Ensemble Pro software, I recommend checking out our tutorial videos and the manual.
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Vienna_Software_Package/Vienna_Ensemble_Pro#!Video_Demos
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/MyVSL

Details on how to use our instruments with Sibelius can be found in the "Optimizing Sibelius Playback" manual.
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Notation_Related

2. With the buttons at the lower left you can add instruments.

3.) For the use with Sibelius (or any DAW) don't run any of our standalone programs like Vienna Instruments Pro standalone or Vienna Ensemble Pro standalone. On Windows only one audio application can use the ASIO driver. The audio application you start first will take the driver. If you start another one, it cannot use it. Just start Vienna Ensemble Pro Server and Sibelius.

Best regards,
Andi

[starrmark]

I opened VE Pro Server 64 bit before opening Sibelius 2019.

Then, in Sibelius Playback Devices, I created a new configuration named Bosendorfer 4 pianos.

In Active Devices, I activated one instance of VE Pro and VI Pro, with the Sound Sets for both active devices selected for VE Special Edition Plus. I highlighted in Active Devices Vienna Ensemble Pro, and clicked Show. Vienna Ensemble Pro 7 popped up, and I selected 127.0.0.1 64bit local host <NEW>. 127.0.0.1 appeared in the Server box, and I clicked Connect. The Vienna Ensemble Pro Server 64 bit screen appeared connected.

In Sibelius>Playback Devices>Manual Sound Sets, I created four instances of Bosendorfer>keyboard.piano on Channels 1-4. When I highlight each channel (all Bosendorfer keyboard sound sets,) I can hear the audio of a C major scale played on a piano when I click on Test. I can also hear this piano scale when I click on Test with Vienna Ensemble Pro highlighted in the Active Devices box. However, now I get no audio sound at all when I playback my piano score on Sibelius.

In Vienna Ensemble Pro Server 64 bit, I created in Vienna Instruments Pro four instances of Bosendorfer piano on Channels 2-5, and loaded the samples. I numbered these pianos 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, and 1-4. On each piano, when I press notes on the virtual keyboards, I can hear on my speakers those notes played on piano. However, when I play my Sibelius piano score (on which there are many notes in piano parts 1, 2, and 3, and nothing yet in piano part 4,) I still get no audio output from Vienna Ensemble Pro.

I have read the VE Pro Manual and watched some of the VE Pro videos, and read the Optimizing Sibelius PDF, and I still cannot figure out how I can get Sibelius to connect to Bosenborder pianos in VE Pro to produce any audible sound.

I have included screen shots of all of my settings in Sibelius, Vienna Ensemble Pro and Vienna Instruments Pro. What do I have to change in order to get my Sibelius piano score to produce audio output with Bosendorfer pianos in Vienna Ensemble?

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[andi]

Hello MS!

If you just have four pianos, you don't need Vienna Instruments or Vienna Instruments Pro at all. I would remove it from the Active devices list and from within Vienna Ensemble Pro. Then add as many Vienna Imperials inside Vienna Ensemble Pro as you need.

Does that help?

As a sidenote: I have seen on one of your screenshots that you are using an MME driver in Sibelius. That's the slowest kind of an audio driver under Windows. ASIO drivers are better, but if you only use an internal audio output of your computer, there might not be such a driver. Maybe there's a Direct Sound driver. Anyway, this should have nothing to do with the problem you are describing.

Best,
Andi