@William said:

That is a really good point Pixelpoet1985 and you are so right that it makes VSL very different from the other libraries.  There are so many variations in VSL of articulations based on actual musical practice that are very important in performance, and it is difficult to make people see that before they actually use the library. A big example is the  sul legato in the solo strings.  This is absolutely essential to string playing, distinguishing between merely smoothly connected but separately bowed notes, and on-the-string slides.  Yet they are both called legato. Many other examples as well...    

Thanks, William.

Of course I'm not always satisfied with VSL legatos, I actually prefer the way the competition does it with crossfading into the sustains after the legato transitions. VSL legatos are sometimes a bit too quick when playing slower phrases. There are workarounds and this topic has been discussed in the forum for ages, so I will not go into details here. 😊

Dimension Strings is, on the contrary, really good, and, as I said, the first VSL string library with a legato sound I like. I recently bought them and still learning and figuring out how to put them on the stage with MIR Pro.

You said “sul legato” in the Solo Strings? That's interesting ... On the product page it's only mentioned as “legato on the same string”. Which strings are they refering to? SUL G?

@William said:

There are so many variations in VSL of articulations based on actual musical practice that are very important in performance, and it is difficult to make people see that before they actually use the library. 

Indeed, and I think it's wrong not to talk about these features. There are a lot of demos, but no information.

As a new potential customer you have absolutely no clue of what you get: What is a performance repetition? What is a performance trill? It's in the Full Library! Ah, okay, do I need it then? But it's so expensive... I'll buy from another company, because others say that VSL is “old” and “dry” and the legatos of the competition are much better.

I experienced the same and bought a lot of other libraries. They are good at some points, I like their slow legatos, but VSL is still great. New customers don't (and can't) see this point, because of the missing information and because there isn't a lot of talking about their libraries.

Of course, that's only MY opinion.

Pixelpoet1985,

I think I may have misunderstood your original post.  Sorry about that  You're right about being in the dark on many aspects of the VSL world.  But it didn't used to always be like that.

In fact, I remember watching the old video tutorials, with the original Vienna GUI, and they answered many of the questions you raised. I could have sworn there was a video about the various Performance samples, what they are, and when to use them, etc. but I think those videos are considered legacy now.

Perhaps VSL should consider "rebooting" some of their legacy tutorials videos re-explaining some of these things?

Sorry William,

I know this isn't what you wanted to discuss in this thread so I'll check out now.

@jasensmith said:

I think I may have misunderstood your original post.  Sorry about that  You're right about being in the dark on many aspects of the VSL world.  But it didn't used to always be like that.

You don't have to be sorry about it.

You are talking about “legacy” videos... I don't know them, but this could be an option. I think most of the forum users here are customers from the very beginning of VSL, they know all of this, but new customers have really no information.

You can get some clues from the VI Pro video, but that's “hidden information” for me. If a new customer is interested in Dimension Strings, and comes to the product page, he/she expects to have the information there. He/she may watch the VI Pro video by coincidence – if at all.

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I agree that we should stop talking about this, because the thread started with another topic.

That is nice of you guys to be concerned about it but actually I think you brought up a good point and it is in reference to the instruments in general.  I had never thought about that because I was using VSL since the beginning of the company. But looking at it from the perspective of a new customer you're abolustely right they would have no idea about this basic difference between VSL and other libraries. 

On the sul legato it depends on the note which string is being used.  The samples are not strictly separated by string but are on whatever string is possible for the given notes, for example a middle c to whatever target note on violin would have to be sul g, etc.  Also on higher notes, in VSL's usual practice, the most practical and normally used sul transitions would be sampled - ones that players would be likely to use, not just possible.   

As someone totally new to VSL, I can say that the sheer impressive capabilty of the VSL libraries is impressive to say the least but also a bit overwhelming.  I think many of you that have been using it a long time have seen new features come one step at a time and assimilate that new information at each stage...  To a newcomer..its mind blowing to consider all the possibilities and even know how to best get started, much less getting into all the nitty gritty fine detail of this articulation works best like this and that articulation works best like that...etc..  It will take me years and years of trial and error to figure out what some of you already know that way.  

So market is one thing..and while I think VSL's web presence is quite impressive in many many ways...I can see the point being made, but also as a user, I just bought it anyway based on reputation without even getting all the marketing you are talking about on the details, but as a new user....could use more guidance which those kinds of detailed demo videos would be helpful.  I think because the market is small, there are also very few videos on youtube or even on the commercial tutorial sites like Groove3, etc.. on how to best use VSL libraries.  So its really this very deep product...and that is exactly why i bought it!  But I'm also quite overwhelmed about how best to dig into it.  

@Dewdman42 said:

But I'm also quite overwhelmed about how best to dig into it.  

If you look in the Music section, the demos with the red buttons have tutorial files you can download.  I'd recommend you look at some of these to see how others use the library.  VI Pro allows you to see which articulations are used even if you don't yet own that library.  Caution is advised in that this will only make you want to buy more libraries when you see you don't yet own a specific articulation that makes you go "oh, wow.  I need that one".

Hello all!

Does anybody know what exactly the new Dimension Strings Update from 2019-03-21 does with this library?
Somebody from the VSL staff...?
(Could not find a changelog.)

I am asking because when I installed the "25_Dimension-Strings-I_LibUpdate2019-03-21.zip" as described the VE/VI players (including PRO) could no longer find the samples!
But the sample files (*.dat) were still on that disk (SSD)!
(All other contents and libraries were found and played correctly.)

No rescanning of the paths in the Directory Manager helped (and also not overwriting the *.dat files with the earlier saved *.dat files from a different drive).

Only a COMPLETE REINSTALL of the library (including earlier Lib. updates) brought it back to action again...! :=(
(Done at present without the new Dimension Strings Update from 2019-03-21...).
(Fortunately I also had saved all the *.cab files, so no new download was necessary.)

{{despite these problems: the Dimension Strings library is really a superb collection! I use it quite much!}}

I installed the update and it worked like all the other updates, with no problems.  

@Dewdman42 said:

If there are legacy videos describing all the articulations available in the library I would find they very helpful also

Based on Solo Violin I, not Dimension Strings, but the concept is very similar:

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HTH,

Thanks Dietz!

<RESOLVED> "when I installed the "25_Dimension-Strings-I_LibUpdate2019-03-21.zip" as described the VE/VI players (including PRO) could no longer find the samples!"

"25_Dimension-Strings-I_LibUpdate2019-03-21.zip" is now working as expected.

The problem I had when installing this update seems to have been caused because Vienna Ensemble had told me that I had installed the latest Version (17226). However, this obviously did not include the Vienna Instruments PRO player (which I always use): only later I noticed that there was already Version 17181 fo the PRO player, to be downloaded and installed separately.
Would it be possible to make Vienna Ensemble also updating the PRO player (if the license is present)?

Everything is working fine now (Win7 x64; and on Win 10).

So I can go on using this SUPERB LIBRARY!