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  • VCA folders - how to create in VEPro 6?

    I've searched the manual, this forum and online and can't find out how to create VCA folders in VEPro 6. I've been using VEPro 6 for some time now and with version 7 coming I've been revisiting the existing features (some of which I've not used) and one that comes up and people talk about is VCA folders but there's nothing anywheres that I can find on creating them. Any ideas?


  • I think that's just "Folders" in VEP.  If you create a folder with some channels in it, the mixer will show a vca channel strip on the mixer for that folder...its not a summing channel...its just a vca type of fader for everything inside it.


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    @Dewdman42 said:

    I think that's just "Folders" in VEP.  If you create a folder with some channels in it, the mixer will show a vca channel strip on the mixer for that folder...its not a summing channel...its just a vca type of fader for everything inside it.

    Thanks for the explanation. Interesting thing as I mentioned is that nowheres in the manual does it explain that the fader is a vca-type fader deal.  But doesn't a vca fader adjust every fader in it's purview? Because if I make a folder and include a bunch of channels in that folder none of the individual faders move. The only thing that moves is the folder fader.


  • does it change the level when you adjust it?  VCA, DCA..i dunno the exactly analogy, but the point is the sound is not summing there per say.  


  • The Folder fader works like you have placed things in an empty bus with the addition of being a folder; when the level of the bus the channels reside in is affected all the levels are in unison at the output, but it's not properly a VCA type.


  • ok where did you read about so called VCA folders in VEP?


  • I never have, maybe someone talked about it on the forum. It's not in the menus, I never thought of it.
    I use folders a bit, but it's primarily to hide things. A couple of times I brought the levels of a reeds or brass choir down, it appears to work like a group bus.
    I know what they are from Nuendo. Its a popular feature request I used to see.


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    @civilization 3 said:

    The Folder fader works like you have placed things in an empty bus with the addition of being a folder; when the level of the bus the channels reside in is affected all the levels are in unison at the output, but it's not properly a VCA type.

    The output from the channels inside a folder are NOT sent to a new empty bus.  They continue to go to whatever bus each channel is assigned to.  Folders in VEP are purely organizational, they are not sub mixes through a bus.

    The fader that is present on the folder channel strip, notice there is no meter or signal going through it, its just a fader.  if you move that fader, you don't see the faders move inside the folder, but the levels are all being adjusted anyway.   Its more like a VCA or DCA


  • I said it works "like" an empty bus; no, it is not an actual bus in the strict sense per VE Pro. It's a grouping. I don't really use it to mix.


  • Group, cf., Cubendo group bus. It would bring the levels down as a group, obv not via their faders.

    My understanding of VCA's difference to that can be illustrated like so: you have a reverb send from a channel  in the group, bringing down the Group bus brings that relationship (people like to call if 'offsets' apparently) down as well in the VCA bus. If it's just a Group in Cubase or an Aux say in Logic, the 'offset' is not governed.