Hi,

New Steinway 60 layers preset for new VSL Piano Full player V1.3.368 update (27 april 2023) (fix releases samples)

(Attached files)

Steinway-D274-full-60-layers-fix-vel.velmap.zip-1696491640775-c2i48.zip

V1.3.368-FULL-VSL-Synchron-Steinway-D274-optimised.vsynpreset.zip-1696491640775-o92ae.zip

Hi, Olivier!

Thank you for sharing your presets. Yesterday, I tested your previous patch and I found it very playable, so congrats for your excellent work. However, I find it extremely dry so I personally add a couple of surround mics to feel it more wet and nice; I will use it often. Thanks again.

What is this fix about?

@Olivier W. said:

Hi,

New Steinway 60 layers preset for new VSL Piano Full player V1.3.368 update (27 april 2023) (fix releases samples)

(Attached files)

@stephen-limbaugh said:

 

@MangoD said:

 

Hey Stephen,

 

I'd love to try your preset. Unfortunately it doesn't load for me (it says "Could not load "Steinway 1"). Does anyone else have this problem?

 

 

 

Try this one...

Steinway-Limbaugh.vsynpreset.zip-1696491631168-2fkbi.zip

thank you Stephen 🥳

Hi! Does anyone have a nice, natural player perspective for the Synchron Bosendorfer Imperial Full Library? I'm on a Kawai VPC1. Thanks!

@JaviAV said:
Hi! Does anyone have a nice, natural player perspective for the Synchron Bosendorfer Imperial Full Library? I'm on a Kawai VPC1. Thanks!

Download "Imperial.vsynpreset"

This is a variation of the Player Surround to Stereo downmix. I've added a custom EQ to each mic along with a few other changes.

God Bless,

David

Thanks a lot David!

@David-B said:

@JaviAV said:
Hi! Does anyone have a nice, natural player perspective for the Synchron Bosendorfer Imperial Full Library? I'm on a Kawai VPC1. Thanks!

Download "Imperial.vsynpreset"

This is a variation of the Player Surround to Stereo downmix. I've added a custom EQ to each mic along with a few other changes.

God Bless,

David

To whoever is interested, I'm sharing my patch for the Bosendorfer upright (full library).

As an owner of an actual Bosendorfer 130CL, I was never satified with default player presets in either the Standard or Full library. I thought they were just not making justice to the actual sound of the 130CL.

So, after spending many hours playing with all the mics and tweaking EQ, I came to a preset that I'm actually satisfied with. Enjoy!

Download "Bosendorfer 130CL Player Full.vsynpreset"

Wow, that's practically the opposite of my own preset, so it's a welcome addition! Thanks for posting!

Of course, mine was specifically designated for use in a reggae context, but I'm looking forward to trying this bright preset vs. my dark one.

@Rob57 said:

here's one I did with the Steinway, just the Condenser mic, very close and warm...

condenserEQ.zip-1696491633079-g3o4a.zip

man i love this instrument, whenever i hear the sound of this beautiful masterpeace, i fall in love with it like it's the first time i'm hearing it, thank you for this experience, the music/playing was fantastic 😊

I think the velocity curves correspond to the type of keyboard used, more than to the piano itself.
It would be necessary to know the weight exerted by the robot for each of the recorded velocities fromm PPP to FFF

The best method would be to pass each type of classics keyboard under the robot to define there own velocity curves.
by creating a database with classic keyboards (sl88, Arturia etc...), we would have a more accurate rendering of their responses in relation to the weight exerted by the robot for each velocity (see each keys...).

Is this still the correct place to post user patches? I forgot to post my latest set from a couple of months ago, after I finally got around to working deeply with the two Fazioli models and tweaking some of the Bosendorfer settings (all three models).

@Mark-Schmieder said:

Is this still the correct place to post user patches? I forgot to post my latest set from a couple of months ago, after I finally got around to working deeply with the two Fazioli models and tweaking some of the Bosendorfer settings (all three models).

Hi Mark,

Yes this is still the right place for VSL piano presets. I have the Yamaha CFX, the Steinway, the Bluthner and the incredible Bosendorfer 280 VC. I absolutely welcome some presets for the latter. So yes please bring them to all of us. Thanks in advance!

Best,

Willem

OK, I'll post them right after a final review, as I keep learning more about all things VSL, but the only tweaks I would do at this point would be on the Play page, if I overlooked a feature that got added after I started programming my presets, which happens sometimes with VSL!

Here's what I've liked with Fazioli F308 full library and NI S88 mk3.

I'd love to hear how others have setup F308.

Download "00 F308 lbg.vsynpreset".

Download "VSL Synchron Piano Presets.zip"

Quite a busy day, but I am finally at a point where I have 100% confidence in how I am using all the features in this app, across all the libraries and stages. I re-did all presets based on what I learned and my conclusions from careful comparisons of settings and approaches, with only three of them being unchanged other than for turning off the already-zeroed algorithmic reverb for efficiency.

As I re-tracked all currently active projects (somewhat shy of 100 altogether out of 900 or more total), and compared before/after, my careful edits today got a sufficient confidence boost in the context of full instrumentation. These presets might not work for others, for a variety of reasons, but hopefully serve as good starting points for somebody.

One of the things that became clear for the first time, is that there is a different approach to Synchron Pianos vs. Studio Pianos. This was not as obvious to me on original release. My conclusion is that the Synchron Pianos don't have a Reverb Aux channel for Room/Plate/etc. due to room size and purpose, and instead have the algorithmic reverb via the dedicated sends. Whereas, Studio Pianos have a Reverb Aux channel available and don't benefit quite as much from the algorithmic reverb, so I shut it off as do most if not all factory presets.

The delay is quite necessary, in my opinion, and this is where I made the most changes from my original preset settings. I could have done this scientifically but decided to just use my ears and instinct instead, consulting the microphone diagrams for each library. Most of my presets had some minor phase issues that I think I have now mostly if not completely eliminated through better mic balance, delays, and in some cases perspective inversion on some mics.

Just a heads up that many of my presets are from player perspective as I do a lot of jazz and in that context one is just as likely to be in the player's perspective as not, just as drum perspective can be 50/50 for an entirely different reason: left-handed vs. right-handed kit. I tend to go for wider spread of the piano for clarity of each range, but I make exceptions in genres associated with the Caribbean.

I really only have one or two presets that are specially tailored for orchestra "Stage Right" (audience left) use, and they are labeled as such. Most of my presets are for smaller playing and listening contexts, perhaps due to having grown up with professional pianists of some note, with many concerts being held in large rooms or halls that nevertheless were in private homes (of the rich and famous).

I've been through a lot of piano libraries and choices over the years, and it wasn't until both Fazioli libraries were available for Synchron Player that I finally reached complete happiness in the rendering of my jazz pieces, which were never originated on, or intended for, Steinway grands. I grew up on Steinways and Mason & Hamlin and always have had a strong preference for the latter. The modern Faziolis are just magic to my ears, exhibiting some of the dynamic pallet of Mason & Hamlin with an incredible range of expression.

For pop, classical, musicals/broadway, ambient/soundtrack, etc., I'm all over the map with these libraries, no clear choice as it is always a per-piece decision. But knowing how most reggae/ska/calypso/etc. were originally recorded back in the day, I definitely biased towards the upright models for those pieces. Hopefully these presets will be especially helpful to people as they are 100% from scratch rather than being heavy tweaks of existing factory mixer presets from the Surround Down-mix group.

It's been a long time since I've posted a file here, and I can't find the facility for doing so at the moment, so I'll post this write-up now so I don't risk losing it while trying to figure out how to upload my ZIP of piano presets to the post (or to the forum if it can't be to the post).

Update: I found the icon for uploading. I am not a fan of the Material Design trend as I have trouble seeing or intuiting many of the icons and tooltips seem to be a thing of the past. This is the opposite of how I do my own UX/GUI work. Anyway, the file is posted now.