Can't be done. Period. Besides installing VEPro 7, if history holds, overwrites any existing installation of VEPro. So you'll only have VEPro 7.That's fair, I SHOULD have. I admitted as much. I'm just trying to figure out how to use the new software without having to pay an arm and a leg more.
So, moving on.
If the two can't communicate, that would still work if I could run both 6 and 7 as plugins inside Cubase. I can have a 7 server on my local computer and have the other servers on remote boxes be 6. As long as I can run both 6 and 7 as plugins within cubase (or any other daw for that matter) simultaneously, I should be ok, otherwise, I'm out 90bucks for something that I can't use without spending a boat load more.So I guess the next question would be whether I can run two instances of the VEP vsti plug in with two different versions from within the same DAW - I'd imagine as long as the Daw sees them as two distinct VSTi it shouldn't be a problem. That's how I can run Kontakt 5 and 6 simultaneously.
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That's fair, I SHOULD have. I admitted as much. I'm just trying to figure out how to use the new software without having to pay an arm and a leg more.
So, moving on.
If the two can't communicate, that would still work if I could run both 6 and 7 as plugins inside Cubase. I can have a 7 server on my local computer and have the other servers on remote boxes be 6. As long as I can run both 6 and 7 as plugins within cubase (or any other daw for that matter) simultaneously, I should be ok, otherwise, I'm out 90bucks for something that I can't use without spending a boat load more.So I guess the next question would be whether I can run two instances of the VEP vsti plug in with two different versions from within the same DAW - I'd imagine as long as the Daw sees them as two distinct VSTi it shouldn't be a problem. That's how I can run Kontakt 5 and 6 simultaneously.
6 & 7 cannot be installed together on the same machine easily. There might be a clever workaround, but the install overwites any previous installations, provided it works the same way it has in the past.
My suggestion is to wait until you have upgraded all your licenses before installing 7, at least the future licenses are signifcantly less expensive than the first, so a little at a time. I agree, for the people running more than 3 licenses, this is not ideal, but I suspect that very few people are running more than 3 licenses.
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It MIGHT be possible to run VEP inside a subhosting plugin like PlogueBidule where you can specify an alternative VST path or manually load a VST plugin that is not in the normal VST path. Then VEP7 plugin normally in the DAW, all on machine A. VEP6 server on machine B, VEP 7 server on machine C. But that is probably not the whole story, depends on what kind of internal interapplication and network communications and systems that VEP uses whether a VEP plugin isolated inside PlogueBidule would be completely seperated from a VEP plugin out in the DAW. Its worth a try, but I would not count on it until someone actually tries it.
Its definitely possible to run VEP Inside PlogueBidule, but what I'm not sure about is whether that one would be totally and completely isolated from VEP7plugin outside PlogueBidule.
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As to having two versions of VEPro on the same machine I wonder if the following workaround would work (at least on a Mac):6 & 7 cannot be installed together on the same machine easily. There might be a clever workaround, but the install overwites any previous installations, provided it works the same way it has in the past.
My suggestion is to wait until you have upgraded all your licenses before installing 7, at least the future licenses are signifcantly less expensive than the first, so a little at a time. I agree, for the people running more than 3 licenses, this is not ideal, but I suspect that very few people are running more than 3 licenses.
Rename the existing installation of VEPro to something else
Install the new version with no alterations to the name
There's a bunch of people that have done that in order to have multiple versions of Digital Performer installed at the same time. For instance I have DP9.02, DP9.51 and DP9.52r2 all at once. The reason this works at least for DP and a Mac is that the installer looks at the name of the program which in this case the usually installed name is Digital Performer with no distinction as to revision. So once that name is changed the installer doesn't see it to overwrite it. It even works for whole number versions; in addition to the three DP9 versions I also have DP8.03. BVeing the licenses for each VEPro edition are different it might work.
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No, it still wouldn't work because the used communication port numbers are the same. You must convince VEP 6 to use differend ports then the newer/ older version if this should work. And who knows which problems you'd also encounter. But if you find a solution that works, let me know ;)
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No, it still wouldn't work because the used communication port numbers are the same. You must convince VEP 6 to use differend ports then the newer/ older version if this should work. And who knows which problems you'd also encounter. But if you find a solution that works, let me know ;)
Very good point.
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Are there any news concerning a release date? The pre-order is running for a good solid two months now, and it feels like it is starting to stretch patience a little. Would be nice if VSL could go back to their old ways, which was announcing a product when it was ready, not when they thought it would be ready in a week or so but then miss that date by several months.
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To be fair there is no date for VSL to miss as a solid release date was never given. All Paul said was that VEPro 7 was in beta test and gave us some of the features. Agreed the pre-order has been going on for way too long but then again I'd rather VSL get it right on release and not what MOTU did with the release of Digital Performer 10.Are there any news concerning a release date? The pre-order is running for a good solid two months now, and it feels like it is starting to stretch patience a little. Would be nice if VSL could go back to their old ways, which was announcing a product when it was ready, not when they thought it would be ready in a week or so but then miss that date by several months.
An update from Paul would be nice.
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To be fair there is no date for VSL to miss as a solid release date was never given. All Paul said was that VEPro 7 was in beta test and gave us some of the features. Agreed the pre-order has been going on for way too long but then again I'd rather VSL get it right on release and not what MOTU did with the release of Digital Performer 10.An update from Paul would be nice.
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True. And you can't please everybody. Still, for Synchron Strings and VE Pro 7 there is a long time between announcement and release - rather too long for my taste. Reading the title of this thread, started on February 18: "SOON: VE Pro 7", yes I agree that an update from VSL regarding the progress would be nice.
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Thought I would chime in as I've seen some interesting perspectives. I'll add mine. I'm a professional user doing full pop production and light scoring. I also private tech for a few known composers and studios in nashville. I'm just gonna say it. Any professional user of Vienna Ensemble Pro needs to purchase the upgrade.
Paul and the team have provided free patch maintainence for years and has provided personal and most excellent customer support to the highest extend a small dev team can provide. There is a trust relationship over many years. I'm going to give VSL the benefit of the doubt when they price new product and provide an upgrade path. I don't have time to nitpick personally. However, maybe a few helpful notes for those feeling a bit burned:
- Pro Audio Software is a VERY small market
- We do not get any support from main OS companies, and computer hardware manufacturers are even less concerned with our specific needs as time goes on. Apple discontinued its pro lineup spawning entire grey market resellers of modified apple hardware JUST to meet specific needs in the pro audio market. OS Platform upgrades are RELENTLESS (especially Mac) and it is VERY difficult for small pro audio developers to keep compatible with an ever diminishing set of standards and SDK's that make our careers possible.
- Vienna as a company could BE FAR WORSE. Ever used "Software-as-a-service"? Mandatory $50/ month seat licenses for Adobe, an ever growing list of software you cannot even purchase (Slate DIgital I'm looking at you) and companies that desire to NICKEL AND DIME you to absolute death.
- VSL is the only software package that performs the task of VST load management for large scaled music production workstations. Someone said monopoly... but really... we are LUCKY to have this software. This helps smaller studios compete with larger (custom designed) studios and is an absolute game changer for composers and a boon for track producers.
- VSL does NOT complain and post sob stories about the cost of business or the shifting economy to make excuses for changing a payment arrangement. They could EASILY stop all development of older platforms and sell a smarmy, scammy, temporary seat license for "access" to their software or any number of predatory monetization schemes that would increase margins considerably. They have chosen instead, to provide the most ACCESSIBLE upgrade path yet... with the ability to upgrade a single seat just for single workstation implementation (testing) and very reasonable additional licenses....
- VSL is very much in line with other niche pro audio software packages. Check out ReVoice, Celemony Melodyne, UAD DSP, Breakaway VST, Soundminer, NI Machine and you will find a range of pricing far higher than VSL is charging. They could easily go into $500+ territory for these releases like ReVoice or Melodyne Studio Editor but they choose to price their software in a much lower tier.
- It is in our best interest to keep VSL in business. It is common in this industry for niche developers to shut down (even Steinberg was sold to Yamaha and Didgidesign to Avid back in the day) due to unsustainability. It should be every professional user's concern to help support the dev team that is providing the software we depend so heavily on. I understand if some of you are not as dependent on the software I'm just speaking from my personal perspective.
- I bought the upgrade license as soon as it was available. I don't know what features are coming. I don't know what is changed or improved and it is likely I won't even be upgrading for a long time but it is my priority to keep supporting devs of the software that is most critical to running my studio.
I understand there are many types of users and I think they are trying to find a balance here but I just wanted to add my thoughts on here because I don't think VSL is going to be able to say the things I did with the same perspective or potential impact.
Happy producing guys and looking forward to Vienna Powered Production for many years to come. Cheers!
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Jesse, I generally agree with the sentiment, except one glaring perspective. As a good old fashioned red blooded ignorant American, capitalism is a good thing, and with capitalism comes competition. Right now, there isnt another product on the market that does what Ensemble does as a whole. There are programs that do bits and pieces of what Ensemble does, sure, but not as an entire package. If Vienna had some competition with respect to Ensemble, it would be a positive thing. Competition drives competitive pricing and an improved featureset.
Also, it is not the customers job to keep Vienna in business. If Vienna makes a product that is wanted / needed in the market place, people will buy it.
I guess lastly, I am no fanboy of Vienna. I love their products but they are very pricey, depending on what you are looking for. You must admit that for users of a dozen licenses for Ensemble, that is a hard pill to swallow, although, depending on country of origin, in the states, this purchase is a complete tax write-off so, while it will hurt initially, next year, it will come back (sorry non-Americans :( ). Also, Id have to go back and re-read your post to remember why I wanted to mention the licensing dongle and more importantly, the fact that users have to pay to have licenses backed up / restored. As I recall, it had something to do with a comment you made about Vienna making it as easy as possible, and that isnt exactly the case.
That being said, I am looking forward to playing with Ensemble 7, it sounds like it will come out right around the end of my school semester and we are going into summer break, so Ill have some time to dig into it. Im taking music classes this summer, taking a break from Physics, Math, and Chemistry until August, which will give me time to really write some music.
