Hi Paul,

As other’s stated, I don’t know if I’ll use Epic Orchestra.

I don’t like paying for unknowns no matter how much I like your company or save money on a discount.  But I might do it because the chances of me using VEP 7 are high.  

For most people,  50 Euro discount isn't worth the unknown, maybe 100 off the 195 list price

But, what really angered me was: I wasted two hours scouring through the forum to find feature information, as many others did.

Why did VSL do such an early pre-release without information? Is VSL itching for income? If so, you guys should manage your cash reserves and operating expenses better.

Do you realize this method of release wasted a lot of man-hours for your customers and for yourself, Paul?  Just look at this thread alone, 17 pages and its still growing!

There’s inevitably a subset of features nearly ready for release. There’s also a minimal subset of features your company has decided to wait for testing to release. That is, you’ve decided that certain features are worth it even if you have to delay the release to get them out.

It is illogical to hide that subset of features from the public who obviously need to know something, anything, to be able to make a decision to pay.

Please provide the feature subset info on the product page and say: “And the rest has to be a surprise for now. :)” 

That would slow the flow of forum complaints and frustration ( mine included ).

Apart from that, keep up the great work everyone!

Regards to you Paul and to the VSL team,

Alex

@umarekawaru said:

But, what really angered me was: I wasted two hours scouring through the forum to find feature information, as many others did.

But why? There is a topic with big title "NEW FEATURES" and the last point on the list is "Many more features! Stay tuned for more information coming soon!"

Why do you search the USER-forum for information instead reading the product page?
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Software/Vienna_Ensemble_Pro#!Product_Info

This constant moaning is really getting on my nerves. Same behaviour I also see on other products in other forums. I get the feeling some people invest more time in complaining than in just using their software and getting projects done. My theory is, 99% are using it and try to make money with it. And the 1% complaining just take over a topic by quantity. 

+1

Just now saw this. Thanks for the update, Paul. Good to read that there is still some optimism for a release in weeks instead of months.

@Paul said:

Hello everybody, 

First of all: Thanks for all your input and postings here. We are happy to see that so many of you feel so passionately about this software, and we are doing our very best to justify your support and meet your expectations. 

You probably know that Vienna Ensemble Pro development is always a very involved process, as we not only have to deal with a myriad of plug-ins and their “specialities” but also with specific solutions for the various DAWs out there. What looks the same from the outside can be VERY different from a technical perspective and calls for a dedicated solutions (which again needs to LOOK the same from the user’s perspective). 

To use my favorite euphemism I learned from our developers: It can be tricky 😊

STATUS QUO: 
We are now in the beta stage for VE PRO 7, to make sure that we have not missed any perspective and also to incorporate input and ideas from our beta team, with real-world situations, stress-tests and compatibility tests, and I am confident that we are on a great path to have VE Pro 7 ready for you within the next weeks.

I am not posting a release date but we are aiming at a release in the last week of march, and we will also post updates of confirmed features as we get further ahead in beta-testing. 

 

On a personal note: What worries me most in this thread is that there are so many “in-fights” about who is right on a topic you have little to no information about. That lack of information is our fault, as we want to publish this information only when it’s 100% confirmed.  I’m just saying that it’s not a pleasure to watch and we are sorry about all the anger this has caused. 

I know that you will get along perfectly fine in the real world, as you are clearly all passionate musicians. 

In this spirit: We are all looking forward to the time when we can finally announce more features, and we hope that Epic Orchestra 2.0 helps to bridge the time until we get there. 

All the best from Vienna, 
Paul and the VSL Team

Personally,  as Logic Pro X user I don't give a large rodent's hiney about AU 3. ArtZ ID has renedered it totally unnecessary for my uses.

I´m currently using VEP v6 with my studio computer and a server that holds my plugins/soundbanks.

I received 3 licenses with v6. Will I now have to buy 2 v7 licensers just to use it with my ordinary setup?

@Musicmould said:

I´m currently using VEP v6 with my studio computer and a server that holds my plugins/soundbanks.

I received 3 licenses with v6. Will I now have to buy 2 v7 licensers just to use it with my ordinary setup?

@Ashermusic said:

Personally,  as Logic Pro X user I don't give a large rodent's hiney about AU 3. ArtZ ID has renedered it totally unnecessary for my uses.

Rats are just medium sized. For a truly large rodent, you want the Capybara:

https://capybarafacts.com/

@Ashermusic said:

Personally,  as Logic Pro X user I don't give a large rodent's hiney about AU 3. ArtZ ID has renedered it totally unnecessary for my uses.

Rats are just medium sized. For a truly large rodent, you want the Capybara:

https://capybarafacts.com/

edit for additional:

Back on topic - well it's the last week in March and Paul seemed to inimate that we'd see VEPro 7 this week. Personally I think it ain't gonna happen this week/month but late April. Would LOVE to be proven wrong.

Just some simple questions:

WHEN?

and

WHAT WILL BE NEW???

;-)

@alexdetig said:

Just some simple questions:

WHEN?

and

WHAT WILL BE NEW???

😉

One major stumbling block (for me at least) in all this non-information deal is system requirements. Yes they are up on the product page but telling us what beta testers are finding vis-a-vis those requirements would be great. For instance are they finding the so-called minimum requirements on Macs of Sierra OSX 10.12.6 really should ne High Sierra (which is now considered the recommended operating system)? For many reasons I can't go past that OSX version. Heck even VEPro 7 as it stands leaves out me using my old slave iMac as that runs/ran just fine with OSX 10.10.5. Forget El Crapitan.

I am glad they are taking time to test it all out before releasing the final product. Better than what steinberg did with Cubase 10.... where they just rushed the release and had customers be the "beta testers". 

Ve pro 6 is working fine for me on my slave pc. I have 4 VE instances, each with 27 kontakt instances (with 16 articulations each) and they are all running smooth. Load time is a bit long (about 35-40 minutes) so I would love to see that improved in Ve Pro 7. And hopefully the Cpu performance will get a slight improvement, I know they said going from Ve Pro 5 to 6, cpu performance improved by 70 or 80 percent, but I didn't notice much difference then.

I got my pre-order with the epic orchestra 2 a couple weeks ago. Been trying the library out and it sounds alright for the most part, but I wouldn't call it a must have... As someone stated above, I would rather see an upgrade to all 3 licences instead of just 1 (even thou I only have 1 slave PC in my studio, I have a remote set-up that I bring around when I travel and would love to just have licences on separate dongles like before)

Anyways... I am patiently waiting for the release notes.

@TimBlast said:

I am glad they are taking time to test it all out before releasing the final product. Better than what steinberg did with Cubase 10.... where they just rushed the release and had customers be the "beta testers". 

Ve pro 6 is working fine for me on my slave pc. I have 4 VE instances, each with 27 kontakt instances (with 16 articulations each) and they are all running smooth. Load time is a bit long (about 35-40 minutes) so I would love to see that improved in Ve Pro 7. And hopefully the Cpu performance will get a slight improvement, I know they said going from Ve Pro 5 to 6, cpu performance improved by 70 or 80 percent, but I didn't notice much difference then.

I got my pre-order with the epic orchestra 2 a couple weeks ago. Been trying the library out and it sounds alright for the most part, but I wouldn't call it a must have... As someone stated above, I would rather see an upgrade to all 3 licences instead of just 1 (even thou I only have 1 slave PC in my studio, I have a remote set-up that I bring around when I travel and would love to just have licences on separate dongles like before)

Anyways... I am patiently waiting for the release notes.

You say your loading time for that template is 35 to 40 minutes - please tell us you're not loading from a spinner drive but an ssd. Or multiple ssd's. If you're on a Mac Pro cheesegrater putting those ssd's in a pcie card adapter will double the loading speed from if they're in the drive bays.

@musicman691 said:

If you're on a Mac Pro cheesegrater putting those ssd's in a pcie card adapter will double the loading speed from if they're in the drive bays.

If you add a SATA card III you will load in 10 times less

@musicman691 said:

If you're on a Mac Pro cheesegrater putting those ssd's in a pcie card adapter will double the loading speed from if they're in the drive bays.

If you add a SATA card III you will load in 10 times less

Recently I upgraded my system sample drive to use a raid-0 of two SSD on sata3, via pcie bus.  

https://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempossd.html

The benchmark tests showed incredible improvements in raw disk performance through this raid array.

It did not make ANY difference to the VEP project load time.  Before that I was using a single SSD on sata2.  (MacPro 5,1).

All that being said, the longest my system has ever taken to load a VEP project is 1.5 minutes....around 100 channels of VSL instruments.  Even with the single sata2 SSD that is how long it took.  I can't imagine waiting 40 minutes...something is amis.