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You arent being downgraded, you are unable to upgrade until you buy all the licenses. WTF is so hard to understand about this?
Why don't you calm down first. It is my/our right to be unhappy with this new licensing decision. I paid for VEP because it had 3 licenses, I would never have bought it if it only had one and I'm definitely not upgrading to 7 with the current price plan.
I have been following this discussion, and as a new Vepro user who is a hobbyist, I must admit I'm somewhat confused. The general consensus seems to be that this VEP7 offer is not very welcome, as it seems that people will have to pay more for what they already had in VEP6, in terms of licenses. And for networkers, I can definitely see how this is a problem. For me, I just use one computer. I bought Special Edition 1 a few years back, and thought that by accepting this offer I would gain perhaps some usable new sounds in Epic Orch. 2, while also getting the upgrade from the free Vienna ensemble to Vepro. And eventually get a free upgrade to VEP7.
My experience so far is that Vepro gives me faster load times than I had with the free player. Plus, the ability to host other libraries, including EO, GPO and EWSO (I have not succeeded in getting Cinematic Strings, which uses the free Kontakt Player, to be recognized). but I ran into a problem, due to how I use reverb. I like to put Lexicon Pantheon on my synths, and turn off any native reverb in the library. I send them all to Spaces so they are all in the same space. By using Pantheon, all the different libraries have the same algo reverb, in varying amounts, before they go to Spaces. This works for me. but I have not found a way yet to do this while hosting the synth in Vepro. So I have gone back to the old way, just using Vepro for SP1, and using sonar's mixer for the others, so I can add Pantheon to them.
Thus, I am using Vepro exactly as I used the free player. I am not sure there is much benefit in this, but perhaps when VEP7 comes out there will be other benefits. As for EO, so far I am using violin and bass sounds. I also get a cornet, something I didn't have, as well as a nice oboe d'amore, which who knows someday I may use. That's pretty much it. However, having better violins and basses than I had before is a big improvement, as these instruments have always been problematic. And I get an intro to the Synchron series, so I can evaluate whether this is something I would want to explore further, or just stay with the conventional Vienna libraries.
All in all, I think I got my money's worth. I'm sure I would feel differently if I were a long time user, and especially if I networked. I'm putting this out there mostly for the sake of others like me who are thinking of getting Vepro on this introductory offer. It's probably worth it. For the rest of you folks, I can understand your problems with this offer. It reminds me of when Sonar went to a subscription model, then offered lifetime updates for a onetime fee, then went out of business. (Fortunately, Sonar was revived by a company called Bandlab, who now offer Cakewalk By Bandlab for free, which initially caused a huge up-swelling of anger from those who paid their dues all along, and now anyone can have what they paid for for free (minus the plugins, so they did get something for their money).
We have to remember that this is a business. sometimes companies are going to do things we don't like. That's just the way it is. The consumers didn't own sonar, just as Vienna's consumers don't own Vienna. That doesn't mean they have no right to express their outrage if they feel they have been taken advantage of. It's healthy to fo so, and may cause the company to change their plans.
So I think this is a very healthy discussion which hopefully will improve how VSL treats its customers. Companies need feedback like this. The only thing negative about it is the occasional ad hominum attacks. that does nobody any good.
I'm getting a weird feeling about this VE Pro 7 product launch / pre-order ...
I participated in a VSL pre-order process before (Dimension Strings) , and despite it taking quite some time before the library was complete (sept 2012-august 2014 ...), at least you had a pretty good idea about what to expect.
The info we are getting now doesn't say anything about the expected functionality of the product, which is very disappointing, especially since VE Pro is not just another library, but rather an essential infrastructural part of our setups - something you want to plan ahead for.
It's a bit like a car salesman wanting you to sign up for a new car, while only able to tell you something about the great entertainement system that will be included for free. Nothing about the engine, the gearbox, the looks, the safety system - but "the kids will have a great time in the backseat" ...
So, please, give us some serious info asap ...
PS : adding a bonus almost as an afterthought, and only for 4 days - it only gets weirder 😕
I think it was good to make the announcement so soon: If you were planning to buy VEPro you will get the new version but can use v6 today. If you bought version 6 30 days ago you can refund and buy v7. This is the same as a grace period. And as Paul confirmed: The price will stay until after more infos are available. It's a good thing for the customer.
So why complaining? Just be a little more patient. Nobody forces anyone to buy until we get more information...
Initial post said that news will come in a few days.
It's been 2 weeks.
Considering how the first post and the VEpro page was written, i would have thought it would have been released already.
If you don't know what features you are adding for VEpro 7 by now, you never will.
Can we get the new features list now please? And a ballpark release date?
I think it was good to make the announcement so soon: If you were planning to buy VEPro you will get the new version but can use v6 today. If you bought version 6 30 days ago you can refund and buy v7. This is the same as a grace period. And as Paul confirmed: The price will stay until after more infos are available. It's a good thing for the customer. So why complaining? Just be a little more patient. Nobody forces anyone to buy until we get more information...Hello Bbelius, can you explain why VSL is hiding this information from us in one sentence? I do the start for you: [b]They are doing ist because[/b] ... (I am thrilled to hear the rest ;))
Why complain? How about with VEPro 7 we lose two licenses; don't hand me any BS about 'you still have the 3 licenses that came with VEPro 6'. It's been said by Paul that 6 and 7 won't communicate with each other which means if you want to keep working (having upgraded to VEPro 7) and you use all 3 licenses that came stock with 6 you have to pay extra to get them back with 7.I think it was good to make the announcement so soon: If you were planning to buy VEPro you will get the new version but can use v6 today. If you bought version 6 30 days ago you can refund and buy v7. This is the same as a grace period. And as Paul confirmed: The price will stay until after more infos are available. It's a good thing for the customer.
So why complaining? Just be a little more patient. Nobody forces anyone to buy until we get more information...
THis was a very poor rollout and I think Vienna realizes that now but won't admit it to us - the paying customers.
I think it was good to make the announcement so soon: If you were planning to buy VEPro you will get the new version but can use v6 today. If you bought version 6 30 days ago you can refund and buy v7. This is the same as a grace period. And as Paul confirmed: The price will stay until after more infos are available. It's a good thing for the customer. So why complaining? Just be a little more patient. Nobody forces anyone to buy until we get more information...Well, the mere fact the taiko drums were only available at a time when ZERO information was available clearly proves it’s not a grace period they had in mind ...
Your existing VEPro 6 licenses will still work but only with VEPro 6. VEPro 7 licenses will only work with that version. If you need the other two missing licenses so you can work totally in VEPro 7 you need to pay extra for those. 6 and 7 cannot work with each other according to Paul Kopf.I have exactly this same dilemma. If I upgrade VEPro 6 to VEPro 7 will my 2 other licences work or I have to buy new licenses
To be very honest I'm a bit surprised by the large discussion about licenses: actually if you own VEP 6, you may update 1 licence + EO2.0 for 75€ and if you need to update all the 3 VEP 6 licenses you just buy 2 more single licence update at 45€ each. What's wrong?
Total cost is easy to calculate, and I don't think it's just a bad policy change, the opposite it has some advantage as well (e.g. if you don't need additional licenses or if you need just 1, you will pay according your real need, not being forced to the batch).
What's a bit weird instead is the almost total lack of technical features explanation, but we are not forced to buy today:
the people buying today just trust VSL for the previous good experience with VE Pro, and hope it will keep the standard. Due to the fact VEP is the core of my system I had no doubt about using the last version available, because the actual one starts to be unstable and conflicts with recent OS and VST updates are day by day more frequent, so a VEP software update was really welcome if it just makes the program solid and compatible again.
Any additional feature beside stability and compatibility is very welcome, but not the core motivation factor for me. I just hope VSL will not disappoint the trust... in case they will do, of course next time I won't buy any pre-order anymore (as I won't pre-buy anything from Synchron series after being disappointed by Synchron Strings I).
Very simple, isn't it? :)
Hello Fatis,
I am using only one License. But just to clarify: With the last Upgrade I paid only 61,00 € for 3 Licenses and now I pay 75 € for one ... and I have no use for EO2. That's why I see it like you: If the Upgrade is not big enough, VEP will be my "eternal Logic 5" and there will be no reason to upgrade in the future.
Very simple, isn't it? 😊
I find it more simple to imagine that Paul is Moses 2.0 ...
To be very honest I'm surprised there are some people who see this as a good thing - losing licenses with the upgrade. Sure you can only upgrade 1 license but then remember that VEPro 6 and 7 won't communicate with each other. And we have no sure knowledge one way or the other whether VEPRo 6 and 7 can even exist on the same system. That's what's wrong.To be very honest I'm a bit surprised by the large discussion about licenses: actually if you own VEP 6, you may update 1 licence + EO2.0 for 75€ and if you need to update all the 3 VEP 6 licenses you just buy 2 more single licence update at 45€ each. What's wrong?
snippage here
Very simple, isn't it? 😊
Very simple, isn't it?
To be very honest I'm surprised there are some people who see this as a good thing - losing licenses with the upgrade. Sure you can only upgrade 1 license but then remember that VEPro 6 and 7 won't communicate with each other. And we have no sure knowledge one way or the other whether VEPRo 6 and 7 can even exist on the same system. That's what's wrong.
Very simple, isn't it?
Well, sorry to insist, but nothing is wrong in my very humble and very personal opinion:
what you can say is that it's too expensive, then you don't buy it and full stop.
You may also say that you don't know enough, then you just wait to know more and/or try, then you buy later or never.
It's totally simple my friend: It's your choice.
To be very honest I'm surprised there are some people who see this as a good thing - losing licenses with the upgrade. Sure you can only upgrade 1 license but then remember that VEPro 6 and 7 won't communicate with each other. And we have no sure knowledge one way or the other whether VEPRo 6 and 7 can even exist on the same system. That's what's wrong.
Very simple, isn't it?
Well, sorry to insist, but nothing is wrong in my very humble and very personal opinion:
what you can say is that it's too expensive, then you don't buy it and full stop.
You may also say that you don't know enough, then you just wait to know more and/or try, then you buy later or never.
It's totally simple my friend: It's your choice.
Reading comprehension seems to be a problem for you. I never said the ugrade was too expensive. The prices is what it is. It's the way it's being handled is the issue. We're losing licenses with this upgrade - can't you see that? What other developer does this? Not one that I can think of.
You may think there's nothing wrong but quite sadly you are mistaken. Maybe you like being taken advantage of and are a trusting soul. Those two things are alien to me and have been for decades after some harsh learning experiences. It's called being real and not looking at the world through rose-colored glasses.
What some of you fail to understand is that the new upgrade price (Main upg + 2 x licenses) is not the core of the issue, it's only one part of the issue.
The more serious issue is that down the road, we will be forced to upgrade. That is mostly because of forced yearly MacOS updates by Apple that breaks compatibility, though less of a problem under Windows but no one knows if or when it will happen.
So the "what's the problem, keep using VEP6" statement is fine, but only *for now*. There is also the fact that if this pricing scheme remains the same, every version of VEP will cost double to upgrade compared to what we signed up on initially.
What some of you fail to understand is that the new upgrade price (Main upg + 2 x licenses) is not the core of the issue, it's only one part of the issue.
The more serious issue is that down the road, we will be forced to upgrade. That is mostly because of forced yearly MacOS updates by Apple that breaks compatibility, though less of a problem under Windows but no one knows if or when it will happen.
So the "what's the problem, keep using VEP6" statement is fine, but only *for now*. There is also the fact that if this pricing scheme remains the same, every version of VEP will cost double to upgrade compared to what we signed up on initially.
Valid, but isnt this an issue with any software with paid software upgrades?
What some of you fail to understand is that the new upgrade price (Main upg + 2 x licenses) is not the core of the issue, it's only one part of the issue.
The more serious issue is that down the road, we will be forced to upgrade. That is mostly because of forced yearly MacOS updates by Apple that breaks compatibility, though less of a problem under Windows but no one knows if or when it will happen.
So the "what's the problem, keep using VEP6" statement is fine, but only *for now*. There is also the fact that if this pricing scheme remains the same, every version of VEP will cost double to upgrade compared to what we signed up on initially.
Valid, but isnt this an issue with any software with paid software upgrades?
No
