@littlewierdo said:

The purchase of one or multiple licenses for VEP7 is not a downgrade. You are not loosing something by purchasing a license. In point of fact, you are keeping your VEP6 licenses. A downgrade would mean you are getting less than what you already have.

Where does it say that if you upgrade one VEP7 license that suddenly VEP6 will not work? The only thing I have seen (albeit, I didnt see it from Paul, I saw others make the claim that Paul said this), is that VEP 6 will not communicate with VEP7. Meaning, if I have VEP7 running on my server, I cant use a VEP6 instance to communicate with it. This however is not a downgrade. It means, you have to continue to use what you currently have, which is VEP6 until all instances that you are going to use are upgraded. This isnt rocket science. To put it in the correct terms, this is not being able to use a piece of what you paid for until you have all the pieces.

I cant put a table together until I have purchased all three (or more) legs. If I decide to change the legs, I must still purchase all three (or more) of them before I can put the table together and use it. This means, I can purchase one leg at a time. I can even run it through various skupting tools to shape that leg how I want it to look. Until I have all three however, I cant put said table together. However, I can continue to use said table with the old legs, I just cant use said table by mixing and matching the legs (well, technically, I can, but it would look weird, for purposes of this analogy, lets just go with, I cant until all three or more legs are purchased and matching).

If my table legs are currently made of pine and I decide to upgrade the legs to a more sturdy oak, I dont suddenly LOOSE my pine legs by purchasing an oak leg. Heck, buying 3 oak legs doesnt make the 3 pine legs disappear.

Now, I get it, we are dealing with software, which is more esoteric than tangible goods. Vienna could very easily have broken this analogy by removing your VEP6 licenses when you purchase VEP7, through the magic of flipping a bit. However, they havent, thus the analogy works. You are still able to keep what you already have, you just cant use the new stuff until youve updated all the components.

Each instance of VEP is a component. It must be running the same version to communicate with another instance. All the components that wish to communicate must be running the same version. Luckily, you have 3 VEP6 licenses (or more) that will continue to communicate happily with each other, even if you have a VEP7 installation on the same machine. You need to upgrade all the components to VEP7 if you want to run VEP7. Since you are currently running VEP6, it isnt a downgrade from what you currently have. However, since you havent yet purchased all the components, ie. VEP7, it is not yet an upgrade. Thus, nothing changes, you continue to run what you have, not a downgrade.

Tables with three legs

@Another User said:

Honestly, I wouldn’t know where to start, there’s so many bets and assumptions (and statements that even contradict Paul) , that I will leave you be and wait for an official word about my concerns.

Dear VSL, there is a lot of people concerned about your policies, here, in other forums, in the real world, and you are letting Littleweirdo to “explain” them to us.
I sincerely hope you are thinking hard about this situation.

Start sarcasm:

It certainly is interesting, its only me that is making bets and assumptions, none of you have done that, no, of course not.

Of course, there has been zero hyperbole on this subject since the announcement, no one blew this out of proportion, of course not.

End sarcasm:

My explanations have been on this issue, wait and see. It isnt me who has made any assumptions, except maybe that VEP6 can be installed alongside VEP7 (note, I didnt say, will work together).

Im calling people out for making assumptions on things they know nothing about, being shitty about it, and throwing out personal insults. While I only quoted two shitty comments directed at me, there are a plethora of them littered throughout this thread, and at least two directed at Paul. This is unacceptable.

We are all adults here, act like it. If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all.

"Don't be a dick" - Whil Wheaton

@littlewierdo said:

Where does it say that if you upgrade one VEP7 license that suddenly VEP6 will not work?

@littlewierdo said:

My explanations have been on this issue, wait and see. It isnt me who has made any assumptions, except maybe that VEP6 can be installed alongside VEP7 (note, I didnt say, will work together). Im calling people out for making assumptions on things they know nothing about, being shitty about it, and throwing out personal insults. While I only quoted two shitty comments directed at me, there are a plethora of them littered throughout this thread, and at least two directed at Paul. This is unacceptable.[b]We are all adults here, act like it.

@Another User said:

Honestly, I wouldn’t know where to start, there’s so many bets and assumptions (and statements that even contradict Paul) , that I will leave you be and wait for an official word about my concerns.

Dear VSL, there is a lot of people concerned about your policies, here, in other forums, in the real world, and you are letting Littleweirdo to “explain” them to us.
I sincerely hope you are thinking hard about this situation.

Start sarcasm:

It certainly is interesting, its only me that is making bets and assumptions, none of you have done that, no, of course not.

Of course, there has been zero hyperbole on this subject since the announcement, no one blew this out of proportion, of course not.

End sarcasm:

My explanations have been on this issue, wait and see. It isnt me who has made any assumptions, except maybe that VEP6 can be installed alongside VEP7 (note, I didnt say, will work together).

Im calling people out for making assumptions on things they know nothing about, being shitty about it, and throwing out personal insults. While I only quoted two shitty comments directed at me, there are a plethora of them littered throughout this thread, and at least two directed at Paul. This is unacceptable.

We are all adults here, act like it. If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all.

"Don't be a dick" - Whil Wheaton

@littlewierdo said:

Where does it say that if you upgrade one VEP7 license that suddenly VEP6 will not work?

It isnt much of a stretch. Go to MyVSL download archive and download Ensemble 5.4 and Ensemble 4 and install them. They should be installed to completely different directories. VEP4, VEP5, and VEP6 all work just fine if installed on the same machine. No, they cant communicate with instances that are a different version number, but they can be installed on the same machine and all run independently of each other. It isnt much of a stretch to imagine that VEP7 will work the same as every previous release of VEP has worked, and more importantly, how nearly all software works. Very few pieces of software prevent you from having multiple versions installed side by side and I doubt VEP7 will be any different.

@Another User said:

Honestly, I wouldn’t know where to start, there’s so many bets and assumptions (and statements that even contradict Paul) , that I will leave you be and wait for an official word about my concerns.

Dear VSL, there is a lot of people concerned about your policies, here, in other forums, in the real world, and you are letting Littleweirdo to “explain” them to us.
I sincerely hope you are thinking hard about this situation.

Start sarcasm:

It certainly is interesting, its only me that is making bets and assumptions, none of you have done that, no, of course not.

Of course, there has been zero hyperbole on this subject since the announcement, no one blew this out of proportion, of course not.

End sarcasm:

My explanations have been on this issue, wait and see. It isnt me who has made any assumptions, except maybe that VEP6 can be installed alongside VEP7 (note, I didnt say, will work together).

Im calling people out for making assumptions on things they know nothing about, being shitty about it, and throwing out personal insults. While I only quoted two shitty comments directed at me, there are a plethora of them littered throughout this thread, and at least two directed at Paul. This is unacceptable.

We are all adults here, act like it. If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all.

"Don't be a dick" - Whil Wheaton

Hi Paul,

can you answer me this question please:

Will a project/metaframe made with VEP6 be able be opened in/with VEP7?

From what you told us earlier I understand that there will be no option to connect VEP6 server with the VEP7 instance wich I totally get but what is not clear to me is if the projects made with 6 will open in 7. I am pretty sure you know that much already since this is one of the first workflows you would test with the new VEP7.

I am simply worried that if the answer is "No" I will have to redo all my templates that I spent on weeks already. I hope the answer to my simple question is "Yes" and we will enjoy the 7 very soon!

Cheers!

Karol

www.14bitMIDI.com

@littlewierdo said:

Where does it say that if you upgrade one VEP7 license that suddenly VEP6 will not work?

It isnt much of a stretch. Go to MyVSL download archive and download Ensemble 5.4 and Ensemble 4 and install them. They should be installed to completely different directories. VEP4, VEP5, and VEP6 all work just fine if installed on the same machine. No, they cant communicate with instances that are a different version number, but they can be installed on the same machine and all run independently of each other. It isnt much of a stretch to imagine that VEP7 will work the same as every previous release of VEP has worked, and more importantly, how nearly all software works. Very few pieces of software prevent you from having multiple versions installed side by side and I doubt VEP7 will be any different.

I concede that you may not be able to have two versions installed. It doesnt change anything I stated, you still can continue to use VEP6 until you have purchased all the licenses you need for VEP7. Since you are able to continue to use VEP6, it is not a downgrade.

@littlewierdo said:

Ok, I concede that you may not be able to have two versions installed. It doesnt change anything I stated, you still can continue to use VEP6 until you have purchased all the licenses you need for VEP7. Since you are able to continue to use what you already have, it is not a downgrade.

@littlewierdo said:

Ok, I concede that you may not be able to have two versions installed. It doesnt change anything I stated, you still can continue to use VEP6 until you have purchased all the licenses you need for VEP7. Since you are able to continue to use what you already have, it is not a downgrade.

What do you mean? Im able to admit when Im wrong, but this doesnt change anything I said with regards to this being a downgrade. Im not sure why it was important to install VEP7 before you had all the licenses purchased for VEP7 anyway. The only thing that changes is, you should wait to install VEP7 until you have all the licenses for it.

This downgrade nonsense is the dumbest thing. Its unbelievable some of you cant understand this. By your logic, any persons who choose not to upgrade any licenses to VEP7 are also being downgraded. In fact, its like me handing Vienna a $20 payment and saying Im being downgraded becuase I cant download their entire library. "But I paid for part of the library cost"... Right, but you didnt pay for the entire cost of the library, hence, you cannot download the library. "But I bought one upgrade license..." Right, but you didnt pay for every license you are wanting to use, thus, you cannot use the new version, you must continue to use the version you are on until... and this is the part about licensing that is a bitch, you buy a license for every machine you want to run it on. You arent being downgraded, you are unable to upgrade until you buy all the licenses. WTF is so hard to understand about this?