@Another User said:
javajam, to be fair, VSL has always used the term “full” vs. “standard” as having the extra “articulations” not “instruments”.
Thank you for using the word '
fair', msanioura, here we are, this is the word.
So yes the word 'Full' applies to articulations indeed. Which company should dare to state 'Hey, our instruments cover the full range of the instruments, amazing!!!'. None... Furthermore, who should expect for a 'full' library with uncomplete range? No one too I guess.
And yet that's what still happens with Dimension Brass. So, is it really '
fair' to sell a library with some instruments having a dramatically
uncomplete range while
this is not being stated anywhere? And to now sell the expanded 'Full' library with still
not one single info about it? It looks to be particularly difficult to tell, Paul, you didn't even dare to really say it, only did you concede that the range
'has not been expanded'. Maybe I can help you, you're welcome:
IN DIMENSION BRASS, THE LOW BRASS RANGE IS UNCOMPLETE AND LIMITED. WHATEVER STANDARD OR FULL.You first argued the Low brass were '
still completely usable', Paul… seriously? Should you say that for a violin not going beyond the D string? I guess not... And yet that's what occurs with the Low Brass. Not that
fair.
You told about my '
attitude', Paul. I can easily tell you about my attitude. I've been smart and very patient like many others for a while. I didn't dive head first into the SY Strings discussion war, I had to test and listen deeper first. I did yet. And what's my feeling then? I'm (quite silently until now) feeling like having been fooled, like many others, again. I spent 637,50€ (VAT excluded) for something I will barely use. Let's talk about articulations: sforzato is an artificial edited thing, some short articulation added to a sustained one. The FortePiano is anything but an fp, just a quieter sfz. The slurred articulation, seriously, slurred… I won't talk about the legato, no need to I guess. To sum up, less recorded samples and more edited (and fake) articulations. Still not
fair.
I can talk about Dimension Strings too. I never understood why no 2nd violins but let's go to the transposition trick to build them. Starting from the point that VSL claims they '
recorded each string of each instrument in its full range', we should have good reasons to think each instrument has been recorded chromatically, I mean one note/one sample, right? Following we could expect for using a semitone step for the transposition, right again? Nope…
Dimension Strings are not sampled (or edited) chromatically and we'll have to use a full tone transposition instead. What should I think about this '
full range' assertion then, is that
fair again? And like all embarrassing questions (including the Low Brass one), this one didn't get any reply from the staff, Paul, ever…
Maybe we are very demanding but we have some reasons for that. We've been considering (I did at least) VSL to be a '
fair' and serious company, unlike some companies who provide unfair commercial and support practices (East something) or others who sacrify customers to marketing etc. That's why we are very demanding and it might explain our disappointment, at least mine.
So, to get back to the Dimension Brass, will I go to the Full version for about 200€? I don't know. I don't trust what's stated anymore. I know everything is 'a new chapter in the history of sampling technology', absolutely striking, fantastic, unique, outstanding, incredibly amazing... But in the end, will I end up with some fake articulations? And for sure with some still uncomplete instruments…
You know what? VEpro is the most stable and reliable software I've ever used, impressive. Synchron Player looks to be a great step forwards with improved and easier articulation control. Vienna Suite has been a (positive) shock at the time I bought it and I'm still using the EQ daily, anywhere, for anything. I'm regularly using Symphonic Cube for brass and woodwinds (all extended) and Mir Pro as well. I spent more than 10k€ in VSL libraries & softwares all those years. But yet, I'll really think twice before going for some next VSL product. Trust is broken and I'm expecting for way more transparency and truth. Attitude has to see with confidence, accuracy and reciprocity.
Best,
Alain