Hello,
I have a question on the dynamic range in the synchron-ized Chamber and Appassionata Strings. The slider is at 127 by default. Is is possible to make the default value to 65, so that you can go down to full silence (niente)?
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Synchron-ized: Dynamic range
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Bump!
It would be very nice to have some feedback on this. I thought the synchron-ized products were intended to work with Synchron Strings. But only with Synchron Strings I can go down to full silence (niente). Will there be an update? Thanks.
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Thanks, Paul.
But with Expression it's not working for me. Are there plans to release an update, maybe? In all other libraries (VI included) there is the possibility to change the dynmaic range, or, the dynamic range is at 65 by default.
I know the VSL team is busy, I can understand. But it would be nice to have an update in the near future.
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While the updates to Appassionatta are nice, (separate 2nd Violins as well as vibrato control) I have to agree that the non-functioning Dynamic range slider is a bummer. VI Pro has spoiled me to using the Dynamic range slider to be able to adjust for the appropriate range. Expression works, but if I'm sketching a full section with both hands it's MUCH more convienient to set the dynamic range ahead of time and use 1 foot pedal for the velocity control instead of 1 pedal for velocity and a separate pedal for expression to compensate for the lack of dynamic range.
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Hello Blogospherianman!
The Dynamic Range fader works as it should here. Maybe there's a misunderstanding what this fader is for. If this fader is at the top position, the dynamic range of the patches stays, as it has been recorded. The further down the fader gets pulled, the smaller the dynamic range will be. This means that the loud velocity layers stay as they are and the soft dynamic layers get louder.
Best regards,
Andi
Vienna Symphonic Library -
Hello Blogospherianman!The Dynamic Range fader works as it should here. Maybe there's a misunderstanding what this fader is for. If this fader is at the top position, the dynamic range of the patches stays, as it has been recorded. The further down the fader gets pulled, the smaller the dynamic range will be. This means that the loud velocity layers stay as they are and the soft dynamic layers get louder.Best regards,Andi
I'm fully aware of how the Dynamic Range slider works as I have relied on it for years now. It's certainly behaving differently in Synchron Player than it did in Vienna Instruments Pro. I did a real Quick test in both players and give approximated averages of the db meter readings in each player. Synchron player I just read the left side. Again real quick just to illistrate my point. Here are my findings: In VI pro using Appassionatta All strings Sus pressing the C4 note Dynamic range :0 Vel Xfade:0 = -9. , Vel Xfade:63= -9 , Vel Xfade:127 = -9 Dynamic range :63. Vel Xfade :0 =-33. VelXfade : 63 = -19 VelXfade :127 = -9 Dynamic Range:127 VelXfade:0 =inf VelXfade: 63= -21 VelXfade 127 = -9 This is working as expected. A dynamic range value of 0 , all sample are playing at the same dynamic volume. At a dynamic range of 127, the Softest volume is actually silence and the Loudest volume is the loudest. In Synchron Player using Appassionatta strings Synchronized pressing the C4 note Dynamic Range :0. VelXfade:0 =-21 VelXfade: 63 = -14 VelXfade: 127 = -10 dynamic range. : 63 VelXfade:0 = -21 VelXfade: 63 =-14 VelXfade: 127 = -10 dynamic range. : 127 VelXfade:0 = -28 VelXfade:63 = -14 VelXfade: 127 = -10 These numbers indicate that something is wrong with the Dynamic Range Scaler in Synchron player. In Vi pro using Synchron Srtings In VI version using STR MAIN LONG-Lyc pressing C4 Dynamic range:0 VelXfade:0 = -25 VelXfade: 63 = -17 VelXfade: 127 = -12 Dynamic Range: 63 VelXfade:0 = -32 VelXfade: 63 = -20 VelXfade: 127 = -12 Dynamic Range: 127 VelXfade:0 = -inf VelXfade: 63 = -34 VelXfade: 127 = -12 Synchron strings in VI are a lil off at Dynamic range of '0' in that the velocities dbs aren't the same. However at a dynamic range of 127 the VelXfade level of '0' does go to silence as expected. In Synchron player using Synchron strings STR MAIN LONG-lyric pressing C4 Dynamic Range:0 VelXfade:0 = -29 VelXfade: 63 = -18 VelXfade 127 =-17 Dynamic Range : 63 VelXfade = -29 VelXfade: 63 = -19 VelXfade 127 = -18 Dynamic range :127 VelXfade 0 = -39 VelXfade 063 = -28 VelXfade 127 = -20 Doesn't appear to be working correctly. Very little difference between Dynamic Range 0 or 63. Dynamic Range of 127 doesn't go to silence at VelXfade 0. Also in Dynamic Range of 127 the loudest note is 3 db softer than in dynamic range of 0. So even thiugh it's softest level is 10 dbs softer than the softest level of Dynamic Range of 0, the loudest is 3 db softer thereby only adding 7 dbs of Dynamic range. Based on my findings looking at how VI instruments pro is handling Dynamic Range vs how Synchron Player is handling it, they are very different. I much prefer VI's ability to drop to complete silence when set to 127. I also prefer how it defaults to 63 being where it was recorded at. Hope this helps you see where I'm coming from. ----Blogospherianman
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Hello Blogospherianman!
I know what you mean. In VI you can compress or expand the dynamic range while in Synchron Player you can only compress it.
It would be very complicated to change the behaviour of Dynamic Range without destroying all our presets. Anyway, I'll talk to our developers about it.
Best regards,
Andi
Vienna Symphonic Library -
For me, it's also annoying that you can't change the dynamic range like in VI Pro. Isn't it possible to make the slider's default position to 65?
Curious is that since I have been talking about the dynamic range with the synchon-ized products, the new release of the Synchron Player also changed the dynamic range for Synchron Strings, it is also set to 127 now. If I remember correctly the dynamic range slider was at 65 in older releases, with the ability to go down to zero (niente).
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Hello Blogospherianman! I know what you mean. In VI you can compress or expand the dynamic range while in Synchron Player you can only compress it. It would be very complicated to change the behaviour of Dynamic Range without destroying all our presets. Anyway, I'll talk to our developers about it. Best regards,Andi
Thank you kindly for your concern and help! I've been a long time supporter and advocate for VSL. You all are truly the best at what you do and how you serve the orchestrators of this big blue world!
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I also REALLY miss the way the dynamic slider functioned in Vienna Instrument Pro. I also use SWAM Flutes for solo with a wind controller. These function such that no breath equals no sound. So, to be able to copy solo performances to my VI Ensemble sample tracks in Synchron doesn't translate at all because the dynamic range slider now only goes down to about 65. I used to could fade to silence without employing expression. In order to do the same now, I have to set my mod wheel or breath controller to controll both velocity crossfade AND expression in order to get to zero and this makes the dynamic range of the instrument TOO wide. Can we get the full range back for the Dynamic Range slide in Synchron so it functions like it does in Vienna Instruments Pro?
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Another voice for taking another look at the way dynamic range is programmed in the Synchron player based so far on my experiences withe SY-ized SE version. Fortunately, in Dorico there is a dynamics lane which allow local changes which in 99% of cases should give acceptable results and other software will often have similar features.
Also, the last thing I would want is for the much smoother programming of dynamics in the brass in particular with the Synchron player v VI Pro would get thrown out of the window. But there is a case to answer nonetheless!
