I do lilke the existent VI-Libraries and the Silent-stage concept, while I think the Synchron-Player concept is even for silent-stage Libraries still a reasonable and significant improvement for organizing that wealth of instruments and their articulationtypes.. And the fact, that the Smart-Orchestra is designed for the Synmchron-Player seems to indicate, that VSL, also know those advantages for ver very different kinds of usage.

There are many interesting things they might or even should do (one of my favorites would be to make their wonderful vokalists be able to sing not only "a" and "u" but comparable articulation sets in all vowels (german "e", "i", "o") and this would be an extension for the exsioting silent-stage library - while the synchron player again wouold be a great help to organize the different syllaböes.)

But it is understandable if after 15 years they will replace the orchestral Cube with a new "state of the art" Prodiuct  since this is kind of their core product. However some grumpy Library Forum-Posters (who often are not that much know for any notable music produced with any Synchron Library ) might complain what they are just not yet used to handle right, the Synchron Series will set standards again difficult to meet by anyone else. So imho they should and will first give us the complete new Orchestra, for what ever else will follow will be still time enough after.

@William said:

I know the Synchron series/player is great, but I hope VSL continues recording more VI instruments with the perfected techniques of VI. I wonder if other composers/performers here think the same? Please write in here to MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD! I was thinking the other day how VI-VE-MIR are some of the most perfect software of any kind I have ever used. VI allows control of every possible MIDI parameter down to the patch level and if one makes a template, there is no extra work or labor afterwards. And MIR is a brilliantly designed, elegant masterpiece that was like a dream come true for me - to get such a variety of awesome sounds so easily, just like arranging musicians on a stage. What would be beyond awesome is another set of Dimension Strings samples to add less used but important articulations - yes I know that was grueling to create, but it is the most remarkable sample library ever created and worth it! Also to sample some more ethnic/unusual/historic instruments in addtion to the ones already done. For example - there are no sackbuts! You HAVE to have sackbuts for Renaissance/medieval ! And a historic percussion group would be essential also - if you are doing some ancient music and you naturally want percussion - what do you do now? Modern cymbals/bells/drums? So there are (as I am sure VSL knows) a good number of instruments that NEED to be sampled and to be compatible with the vast, incredibly powerful VI instruments that already exist. We need picket lines formed outside the VSL studios, with people blocking traffic, carrying signs, staging sit-ins and chanting... [b][i]MORE VI ! MORE VI ![/i][/b]

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@William said:

I know the Synchron series/player is great, but I hope VSL continues recording more VI instruments with the perfected techniques of VI. 

I wonder if other composers/performers here think the same? Please write in here to MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD! 

I was thinking the other day how VI-VE-MIR are some of the most perfect software of any kind I have ever used.  VI allows control of every possible MIDI parameter down to the patch level and if one makes a template, there is no extra work or labor afterwards.  And MIR is a brilliantly designed, elegant masterpiece that was like a dream come true for me - to get such a variety of awesome sounds so easily, just like arranging musicians on a stage. 

What would be beyond awesome is another set of Dimension Strings samples to add less used but important articulations - yes I know that was grueling to create, but it is the most remarkable sample library ever created and worth it!  

Also to sample some more ethnic/unusual/historic instruments in addtion to the ones already done.  For example - there are no sackbuts!  You HAVE to have sackbuts for Renaissance/medieval !  And a historic percussion group would be essential also - if you are doing some ancient music and you naturally want percussion - what do you do now?  Modern cymbals/bells/drums? 

So there are (as I am sure VSL knows) a good number of instruments that NEED to be sampled and to be compatible with the vast, incredibly powerful VI instruments that already exist. 

We need picket lines formed outside the VSL studios, with people blocking traffic, carrying signs, staging sit-ins and chanting...

MORE VI !  MORE VI !  

Yes please - more VIs, more MIR rooms, VI Pro UI size increase and features and especially more Dimension Strings!!!

Where exactly should that end up?

"Oh please VSL do not improve anything you ever did, just always sell the same thing and release every year the same products again and again"

Is that what you are looking for?

@fahl5 said:

Where exactly should that end up?

"Oh please VSL do not improve anything you ever did, just always sell the same thing and release every year the same products again and again"

Is that what you are looking for?

Not at all. It seems you didn't read or didn't understand what has been (by the way clearly and in details) written. Or maybe your post is just an off-topic provocative sarcasm?

@fahl5 said:

Where exactly should that end up?

"Oh please VSL do not improve anything you ever did, just always sell the same thing and release every year the same products again and again"

Is that what you are looking for?

Not at all. It seems you didn't read or didn't understand what has been (by the way clearly and in details) written. Or maybe your post is just an off-topic provocative sarcasm?

It is a simple and plain question, which you did not answer at all with your wild speculations what I personally in your opinion alledgly have read or not. Just stay with the topic and already posted arguments of the thread and answer my question related to them (and not what ever you try to insinuate to my person).

OK to make it a bit easier for you:

To ask for more VI, is kind of rejecting the Synchron-Series VSL is just starting to launch for which they spend very much hard work to develop major steps ahaed in usability, versatility and quality is kind of rejecting all the work which they already spent to present their customurs major and fundamental improvements of the products provided by VSL. In short it is as if you just reject all the effort they have done to improve what they sell. So what should that end up. What improvement should that be, if you dont want the improvement they in reality are currently on the way to introduce.

Beside some Ideas of rare hiustoric instruments this thread at least has not answered this question.

So here is your chance to just put some light on the question what improvement you are exactly asking for.

@fahl5 said:

So here is your chance to just put some light on the question what improvement you are exactly asking for.

Oh thank you for giving us the chance once again! But, sorry, William did it already in an elegant and clear way. It's just you not understanding it. And due to your sarcasm and off-topic attitude, you will be ignored. Did you realize that? Peace and love.

@fahl5 said:

So here is your chance to just put some light on the question what improvement you are exactly asking for.

Oh thank you for giving us the chance once again! But, sorry, William did it already in an elegant and clear way. It's just you not understanding it. And due to your sarcasm and off-topic attitude, you will be ignored. Did you realize that? Peace and love.

It is realy tiresome to discuss with someone who dont argue at all. However chacun á son gout.

I am certainly not putting down the Synchron series which is a great addition.  I am just hoping that VSL will continue with two basic product lines that include Synchron as well as VI which I hope will continue to be added to. 

I was thinking about why the basic Vienna Instruments design is so tremendously appealing, and it is because of   a number of things that are fundamentally different from all other sample libraries:

1) the basis of each instrument is as "raw" and direct and pristine a recording as can be done with samples - unlike other libraries that are heavily processed -  and done with scrupulous care taken to keep the authentic pure timbral characteristics of the instrument with no alteration of basic tonal quality. This is tremendously facillitated by the Silent Stage.

2) the interface has all needed controls instantly accessible without wading through menus

3) the user can create his own instrument out of any articulation group down to the single patch level, and control how they are played with every possible parameter of MIDI.  

4) most remarkably of all - and this is what makes me never want to use other libraries anywhere near as much as VSL - one can create an instrument that is as simple as ONE articulation, or as complex as dozens or more.  This allows instruments that only have the samples that are needed for a particular musical performance.  For example, one often finds in a certain line that no articulations are needed other than legato, sustain, and staccato.  Or on some lyrical melodic pieces I have even had only two articulations - legato and sustain.  And yet they sound fully expressed within the musical requirements of the composition.  I love that possibility of simplicity and directness and don't find it with other software - you have total direct control over the original recordings.

5) and I have to add the presence of MIR which is so tremendous for musicians, who like me are not engineers or geeks but are trying to get a good mix themselves.  MIR was designed so brilliantly to be understandable to  musicians right down to having the players on stage where one places them, and default settings that are incredibly beautiful.  

So I am a VI fanboy from way back.  But this is not about being negative about Synchron, which is a super-impressive library, just a positive statement about the previous ones!  

@Another User said:

So I am a VI fanboy from way back.  But this is not about being negative about Synchron, which is a super-impressive library, just a positive statement about the previous ones!  

😃👍

I think thats what we all consent in this point.

@William said:

What would be beyond awesome is another set of Dimension Strings samples to add less used but important articulations - yes I know that was grueling to create, but it is the most remarkable sample library ever created and worth it!

I'm also in full agreement on the flexibility, versatility, and endless possibilities the dry samples/Mir provide to sculpt and shape the sound you need for a wide variety of genres/styles.  I do have the Synchron Strings, but as of yet, have not found them to be more useable than the dry libraries.  There are idiosyncrasies, owing primarily to the way the extra velocity layers seem to affect the ease/playability of the Synchron Strings, that in no way improve my workflow, but rather hinder it.  My interest in the Synchron Strings when they were first advertised, was the ease of use; my hope was that they would enable me to realise my musical ideas more quickly.  Instead, I find that they have the opposite effect, requiring significantly more time to shape/sculpt a convincing performance, and one that still does not give me the same aesthetic satisfaction that VSL's original libraries do.  

In my opinion, VSL could borrow from the slogan of a breakfast cereal:  Kelogg's Corn Flakes was marketed as "the original and best" despite dozens of flashy/sugary/fun-shaped cereals that looked more appealing on the box.  It's what's inside that counts, and VSL's dry samples, as William and others have stated, just "work."

Dave

Count me in👍😃👍😃

Still waiting for that Boys choir 😴 for starters.

@jasensmith said:

Count me in Still waiting for that Boys choir for starters.

@jasensmith said:

Count me in Still waiting for that Boys choir for starters.

more important is the full palette of vowels for the existing singers, while I of course will wellcome all sampled "Wiener Sängerknaben" but please not again only with "Ah" and "Uh".

@jasensmith said:

Count me in Still waiting for that Boys choir for starters.