Questions about Synchronized Chamber Strings

[bbelius]

Hello Paul,

I have some questions about the Synchronized Chamber Strings (please correct me if I got something wrong):

1. If understood correctly, Syn. Cham. Strings are re-edited dry samples + matching IR.
   a) The IR is ony stereo and so the output is only stereo
   b) No (control for) different IR mic-positions like with the other Syn. products

2. I have the Chamber Strings and MIR Pro + Synchron Room-Pack. The main advantages if I upgrade are
   a) access to the new synchron player
   b) re-masterd samples and more velocity layers
   c) any other advantages?

3. Are there any plans to provide jsut the reworked samples as update to the Chamber Strings Library?

Could you please post a link to the manual?

Thank you!

Best, Ben

[bbelius]

(wanted to add that the site does not show me the upgrade price from just the Chamber strings, just the regular introduction price)

[muziksculp]

@bbelius said:

(wanted to add that the site does not show me the upgrade price from just the Chamber strings, just the regular introduction price)

Price for registered users of Chamber Strings I and Synchron Strings I:

€75 **

Same here. This should be my price, but it doesn't show up, and I'm logged-In. 

[herb]

Sorry, an error in the YOUR-PRICE script.
Should have been fixed now.

best
Herb

[muziksculp]

@herb said:

Sorry, an error in the YOUR-PRICE script.
Should have been fixed now.

best
Herb

Thanks !  All good now, I purchased at 75.00 Euros 😃

[stephen limbaugh]

Muziksculp,

So how does it work?  It's ony in stereo or are there options to have the signal mimic the regular synchron strings?

[muziksculp]

@stephen limbaugh said:

Muziksculp,

So how does it work?  It's ony in stereo or are there options to have the signal mimic the regular synchron strings?

I have not had a chance to download it yet, but from the user manual. 

Quote :

"For SYNCHRON-ized Chamber Strings, our software developers added a specifically designed convolution reverb

derived from Vienna MIR Pro to the Synchron Player, featuring the outstanding and unique ambience of the

540 m2 (5,813 sq.ft.) main hall of Synchron Stage Vienna. The perfectly engineered reverberation and placement

presets combine customized impulse responses with expertly crafted reverb settings for each group of the

ensemble. By adding the ambience of Synchron Stage Vienna’s Stage A to the dry samples in real-time,

SYNCHRON-ized Chamber Strings perfectly blend with any other product of our Synchron Series.

For each ensemble, there are 7 Mixer Presets that depict different recording situations: Close, Classic, Wide,

Distant, Ambience, Narrow Close, and Narrow Ambience. In the last two, the ensembles are placed closer to

each other, like in a chamber orchestra. Please note that these are not compatible with Synchron Strings I."

[JDBGDS]

i have a small question if i buy synchronized chamber strings do i get the normal chamber strings 1 as well or do i needs to buy both ?

[fatis12_24918]

@JDBGDS said:

i have a small question if i buy synchronized chamber strings do i get the normal chamber strings 1 as well or do i needs to buy both ?

No you don't. You get the Synchronized version only.

But it's anyway a good subset of the original VI one: big part of the articulations are in, some improvements to the consistency are implemented, and you may still use them as dry as VI version and position/mix them throu MIR Pro (or your favorite reverb).

[kamil]

Hello all, I have a question if you agreed. Can I use the synchron library (as a dry) in any reverb or any Mir room pack in Mir pro? Sorry if someone asked this question before and apologies for my English.... Kind regards, Yasir

[fatis12_24918]

@kamil said:

Hello all, I have a question if you agreed. Can I use the synchron library (as a dry) in any reverb or any Mir room pack in Mir pro? Sorry if someone asked this question before and apologies for my English.... Kind regards, Yasir

Well of course you can (adjusting the pan to center and getting rid of the additional changes as delay, eq and algorithmic reverb). But with Synchron lybraries the result is sometime not perfect due to the already wet soud sometime creating little resonances and artifacts.

Synchronized Chambers instead can be mixed in the usual way because you may turn-off the convolution reverb simulating Synchron stage.

[kamil]

Thank you fatis12. That is mean the old library (VI) it is better, (in term of general use). And the synchron string I library is a backward step. Because they (i.e. VSL) limit of how to use it. Simply I can not use the synchron library with different room in Mir Pro, only with synchron stage room. I hope I can explain my opinion with my humble language, however I wish I was wrong. Kind regards Yasir

[ddunn]

I don't agree that the Synchronized Chamber is a "backward step"

Others have said that there are fewer articulations which isn't the case.  They simply have been incorperated into

other patches.  There are now 2nd violins (instead of using the transposition trick).  Not to mention the new dimension capabilities of the Synchron player.  

I always thought that Chamber Strings were a great value and now even more so.

I can't wait till Dimension Strings receive this treatment, although the huge sample set make it an altogether

larger task.  

[JimmyHellfire]

The Synchron Player is a backward step compared to VI Pro. I hope they don't evenutally retire the latter. Ater the Synchron Strings debacle, I decided that I had my share of the "Synchron" experience. But I still love my classic VSL libraries. I hope they don't ruin them by eventually giving them the Chamber Strings treatment and abandoning VI Pro in the long run.

[fahl5]

@JimmyHellfire said:

The Synchron Player is a backward step compared to VI Pro. I hope they don't evenutally retire the latter. Ater the Synchron Strings debacle, I decided that I had my share of the "Synchron" experience. But I still love my classic VSL libraries. I hope they don't ruin them by eventually giving them the Chamber Strings treatment and abandoning VI Pro in the long run.

The Synchron Player ( and likewise the SynchronSerie) is of course far from bneing a "debacle" there is not a single audible proof for that. It is simply "new" And everybody who is used to something, tends to hate everything new which is going to replace it, since that always demands to learn to handle what is new. 

The Synchron Strings are (notably if you really compare them with the more than 10 Years old Orchestral Cube Strings which is the only thing they are going to replace when the Synchronstrings will be accomplished in all its Volumes) in many aspects a huge step forward and the Synchron Player when it comes to streamline the usage while at the same time  expand its power and versatility is definitly an ingenius quantum leap in the technology of Orchestra-sample-players - but you are right it is of course different to what you are used to . So let us be patient with all who grumble, be sure in a few years no one will seriously prefer VI over Synchron-Player and Series any more. 😉

[JimmyHellfire]

@JimmyHellfire said:

The Synchron Player is a backward step compared to VI Pro. I hope they don't evenutally retire the latter. Ater the Synchron Strings debacle, I decided that I had my share of the "Synchron" experience. But I still love my classic VSL libraries. I hope they don't ruin them by eventually giving them the Chamber Strings treatment and abandoning VI Pro in the long run.

The Synchron Player ( and likewise the SynchronSerie) is of course far from bneing a "debacle" there is not a single audible proof for that. It is simply "new" And everybody who is used to something, tends to hate everything new which is going to replace it, since that always demands to learn to handle what is new. 

The Synchron Strings are (notably if you really compare them with the more than 10 Years old Orchestral Cube Strings which is the only thing they are going to replace when the Synchronstrings will be accomplished in all its Volumes) in many aspects a huge step forward and the Synchron Player when it comes to streamline the usage while at the same time  expand its power and versatility is definitly an ingenius quantum leap in the technology of Orchestra-sample-players - but you are right it is of course different to what you are used to . So let us be patient with all who grumble, be sure in a few years no one will seriously prefer VI over Synchron-Player and Series any more. 😉

I'm sure we've been here before, fahl5 ...

[fahl5]

@JimmyHellfire said:

I'm sure we've been here before, fahl5 ...

I gave you just an answer which seem to me reasonable and worth to be given 😃

[fatis12_24918]

@kamil said:

Thank you fatis12. That is mean the old library (VI) it is better, (in term of general use). And the synchron string I library is a backward step. Because they (i.e. VSL) limit of how to use it. Simply I can not use the synchron library with different room in Mir Pro, only with synchron stage room. I hope I can explain my opinion with my humble language, however I wish I was wrong. Kind regards Yasir

Well, we must be carefull when we talk about rating "better" or "worse":

for instance your point is pretty clear: if you want to be free of placing the instruments around on stage, and get very different ambience, of course this task is easier and more effective with VI and MIR Pro.

Synchron is designed to always use Synchorn stage acoustic: but they are very flexible acoustics, in perfect line with the practice of orchestral recording for Media production scoring (e.g. movies, TV, videogames etc.). To make them flexible they use multi-mic approach and digital reverb instead of Convolution Impulse repsonses.

The result is a more realistic depth because the early refelctions are very wet and real, always better than simulated virtual reflections. Anyway it's a matter of taste, and I agree that the flexibility of VI + MIR Pro is an unmatched value.

The SYNCHRONIZED products can be used in the very same way of the VI series, from a MIR Pro compatibility point of view, by the way. The limitations are for SYNCHRON series only.

Other people here talk about different aspects (e.g. Synchron player advantage and limitations) and again is a matter of opinions and practice: Synchron Player is very powerful and does lot of interesting things, and SYNCHRONIZED version of Chamber Strings is providing several nice features (e.g. consistency of dynamics, and some performance of repetitions improved in a single patch) but of course the VI Pro has a lot more features non existing yet in Synchron player (e.g. humanization, sequencer matrix, multy patch playback, and lot more).

[fatis12_24918]

@ddunn said:

I don't agree that the Synchronized Chamber is a "backward step"

Others have said that there are fewer articulations which isn't the case.  They simply have been incorperated into

other patches.  There are now 2nd violins (instead of using the transposition trick).  Not to mention the new dimension capabilities of the Synchron player. 

I wrote a review and explained in more details, and I didn't talk about step-back. I wrote it's a no brainer at 75€ and a great companion of Synchron Strings I, then we agree.

Actually Kamil was also referring to Synchron series and not to Synchronized.

About the incorporated articulations, sometime it helps (e.g. repetitions) sometime it doesn't (e.g. espressivo vib.).

Anyway I'm not sure about 2nd Violins being free from artifacts if you don't use the IR and you play in unison... I hope they edited samples velocity to avoid unison of same samples, but I didn't find a reference yet on this. Did you?

[bbelius]

@bbelius said:

Hello Paul,

I have some questions about the Synchronized Chamber Strings (please correct me if I got something wrong):

1. If understood correctly, Syn. Cham. Strings are re-edited dry samples + matching IR.
   a) The IR is ony stereo and so the output is only stereo
   b) No (control for) different IR mic-positions like with the other Syn. products

2. I have the Chamber Strings and MIR Pro + Synchron Room-Pack. The main advantages if I upgrade are
   a) access to the new synchron player
   b) re-masterd samples and more velocity layers
   c) any other advantages?

3. Are there any plans to provide jsut the reworked samples as update to the Chamber Strings Library?

Could you please post a link to the manual?

Thank you!

Best, Ben

Hi Paul,

these questions are still unanswered for me.
Could you please answer at least some of them?
Thanks!

Best, Ben