I think it can be possible that we all are/were expecting too much. Re-invention must be seen in terms of the previous libraries and not in general compared to the competition. 

It's all in the product description. This is the re-invention:
1) huge amount of velocity layers --> okay, good idea, but no hearable timbre change
2) huge amount of variations --> okay, for me it sounds the same
3) less keyswitching or patch switching, e. g. repetitions built in --> okay
4) new algorithms --> okay, but where?

That's not enough, for sure. Not for a high-end library in 2018, and not for the money.

Maybe we could hear some feedback from VSL what the actual re-invention was meant to be and if they are happy with the current feedback of their customers? And I would like to know if the critized articulations like sforzatos and fortepianos are in fact fake ones.

I can understand that some comments may be harsh or unthankful because the VSL team invested all of it's time in developing and releasing this product. But I think that we all deserve some kind of clarification, especially all the early-birds having waited for such a long time only to realise that it was in vain, in my opinion.

@Veola said:

(Dear VSL, I happy to receive a Synchon Strings product that lives up to the hype you made around it, a refund or exchange for another library)

If you have the full version, I'll buy it from you (or anyone else reading this).  We can go to VSL together to organize the license xfer.  I've got the standard and just am interested in those additional mics. 👍

@Beat Kaufmann said:

I think that some are disappointed because they were expecting the Chamberstrings or another Dimensionstrings library - now simply integrated with "space".

But this is a string orchestra of great proportions - similar to the Appassionata Strings and not for playing Baroque Music

I recommend everyone to listen to a bit of film music on youtube and listen to the Legatos. There is not much left of the intimate "transition noise", as we are e.g. used to from the Chamberstrings. Listen for example to this track:

 

I believe that such music can be played without a problem with the sync strings.  But try such a piece with the rather thin sound of the Dimension strings...  So it certainly depends on what one uses the Synchrons or the Dimensions. The right library for the right music so to say. Furthermore, I noticed when trying out, that you can make incredible pressure with these strings. There's a lot of potential in that. Unfortunately, I have not had time to try out the library with the new player until now, so I'm with "fahl5": First we have to learn how to use this library properly and also for what kind of music style.
Likewise with this library, too, one can combine them e.g. with the solo strings. The contrast is so great that this probably leads to results as in André Rieu's music:

I claim to be able to produce such a similar result with the solo violin and the SynchronStrings 1 as well...

All the best

Beat

It is great to hear from a true VSL expert like Beat Kaufmann as well as the amazing fahl5.  These guys know what they are talking about from years of experience.   Synchron is a new library, with a new style.  I love the sound and am just starting to get familiar with it.  It is awesome.  Huge.  It will take some time to learn what is there.

I'm with fahl5 on this - the Synchron Player works so differently than VI or VI Pro that few of us have sufficient experience yet to express a deeply informed opinion as to the library's ultimate quality.

Nevertheless, here's my shallow opinion: There's a dramatic improvement between my first Synchon Strings project in its original VI version and the rebuilt project using Synchron Player. Legato is much smoother; releases, which were particularly squirrely in VIP, are a non-issue now. It was no fun re-doing all the keyswitches, but in the end there were far fewer of them. I love having real-time control over vibrato; I love not mucking around with repetition samples, like the other VSL string libraries require.

So, my very premature opinion, based on one soft, lyrical piece, is that Synchron Strings is a major advance over previous VSL string libraries - enough of an advance that I'd classify it as "almost meets expectations." But I may modify that view when some piece requires a nice light spiccato, or relies heavily on sforzato, which I agree with others sounds pretty unconvincing.

Any change as radical as this one is bound to be accompanied by some missteps - and VSL has made things much worse with this library's piecemeal and agonizingly slow roll-out. Besides the near-nonfunctionality of the original version, there are now the countless hours people will have to spend porting their Synchron Strings sequences from VI/VI Pro to Synchron Player. Selling the library at full price before the player was ready created a vast pool of ill-will that's going to be hard to overcome.

--Mark Arnest

Sorry, only got the standard one.

@Veola said:

(Dear VSL, I happy to receive a Synchon Strings product that lives up to the hype you made around it, a refund or exchange for another library)

If you have the full version, I'll buy it from you (or anyone else reading this).  We can go to VSL together to organize the license xfer.  I've got the standard and just am interested in those additional mics. 👍

I am not a pro, so could be wrong here. But the Synchron lib sounds to thin, almost like a chamber. Appassionata sounds fuller to me. Perhaps Synchron lib was played in in a very precise way with not enough  variation?

The general sound of the Synchron lib has potenial, I am not deniying it. But at the moment it does not set a new standard. It just a normal lib not worth buying if you already own the popular ones out there. That is why we are dissapointed and frusted, especially after the hype VSL made.

(It would be good to hear other demos) 

@Beat Kaufmann said:

I think that some are disappointed because they were expecting the Chamberstrings or another Dimensionstrings library - now simply integrated with "space".

But this is a string orchestra of great proportions - similar to the Appassionata Strings and not for playing Baroque Music

I recommend everyone to listen to a bit of film music on youtube and listen to the Legatos. There is not much left of the intimate "transition noise", as we are e.g. used to from the Chamberstrings. Listen for example to this track:

 

I believe that such music can be played without a problem with the sync strings.  But try such a piece with the rather thin sound of the Dimension strings...  So it certainly depends on what one uses the Synchrons or the Dimensions. The right library for the right music so to say. Furthermore, I noticed when trying out, that you can make incredible pressure with these strings. There's a lot of potential in that. Unfortunately, I have not had time to try out the library with the new player until now, so I'm with "fahl5": First we have to learn how to use this library properly and also for what kind of music style.
Likewise with this library, too, one can combine them e.g. with the solo strings. The contrast is so great that this probably leads to results as in André Rieu's music:

I claim to be able to produce such a similar result with the solo violin and the SynchronStrings 1 as well...

All the best

Beat

@pianoguy said:

I'm with fahl5 on this - the Synchron Player works so differently than VI or VI Pro that few of us have sufficient experience yet to express a deeply informed opinion as to the library's ultimate quality.

We do not have the experience but VSL should. By now, they should have many convincing audio demos to clear our doubts. After all it is their product. VSL should convince us it's worthwhile to spend the time and not wasting it. Apart from us being the early adopters who purchased the product purely out of faith in the VSL brand, I am sure they want to attract new customers as well.

The fact there is no convincing demo... it's already suspicious enough.

The fact VSL has been very quiet after last week release, it's even more suspicious.

Don't be surprised when they announce new product(s) in July... as a way to divert our attention.

@MMKA said:

My 2 cents in this thread. Today I worked on a piece with much legato. It was first searching how to get things the way I want it. I discovered the edit page. By giving attack a number beneath zero (I did the ultimate, -2), the gap between notes is deminished. By increasing the sustain I discovered another way to make the legato more smooth.
Furthermore I used the polyphone legato mode to have the opportunity to overlap tones when needed. The result of one short melody line (just a few notes) I send here. For me this legato is good, perhaps for others not, I don't know of course.

Thank you for sharing this. This mod really makes the Synchron Strings legato sounds it should be!!

@mobileavatar said:

We do not have the experience but VSL should. By now, they should many convincing audio demos to clear our doubts. After all it is their product. VSL should convince us it's worthwhile to spend the time and not wasting it. Apart from us being the early adopters who purchased the product purely out of faith in the VSL brand, I am sure they want to attract news customers as well.

The fact there is no convincing demo... it's already suspicious enough.

The fact VSL has been very quiet after last week release, it's even more suspicious.

Don't be surprised when they announce new product(s) in July... as a way to divert our attention.

Exactly.  

VSL needs to post some great sounding new Synchron Strings Demos, produced using the new Synchron Player, where are they ?  Nothing to hear so far. Maybe they need some more time, hopefully not a few months until we get to hear some new demos. But if they do post some new demos that sound wonderful, showing the quality of the legatos, shorts, longs, and other articulations, that will make us go Wow !  Is that Synchron Strings Playing ? then this will change everything as far as the negative perception, or aura this library has surrounding it. 

@Beat Kaufmann said:

I think that some are disappointed because they were expecting the Chamberstrings or another Dimensionstrings library - now simply integrated with "space". But this is a string orchestra of great proportions - similar to the Appassionata Strings and not for playing Baroque Music

@muziksculp said:

VSL needs to post some great sounding new Synchron Strings Demos, produced using the new Synchron Player, where are they ?  Nothing to hear so far. Maybe they need some more time, hopefully not a few months until we get to hear some new demos. But if they do post some new demos that sound wonderful, showing the quality of the legatos, shorts, longs, and other articulations, that will make us go Wow !  Is that Synchron Strings Playing ? then this will change everything as far as the negative perception, or aura this library has surrounding it. 

Don't know what you're expecting. You already know for a fact that the Synchron Player changed nothing about the samples, the sound or the scripting. Why are some new demos miraculously supposed to convince you of something that the already existing ones didn't?

Really don't understand your position here. You got the library. Install it already and try it out for yourself! Otherwise, let it go. Not trying to be argumentative - I genuinely don't understand your position.

@JimmyHellfire said:

Don't know what you're expecting. You already know for a fact that the Synchron Player changed nothing about the samples, the sound or the scripting. Why are some new demos miraculously supposed to convince you of something that the already existing ones didn't?

Really don't understand your position here. You got the library. Install it already and try it out for yourself! Otherwise, let it go. Not trying to be argumentative - I genuinely don't understand your position.

Ok than to me it seems that you have still explore the Synchron-Player a bit more. (Even if the Support is really horrible lazy) The Answer is: You cant use the Library with VI the way you can with the SyPl.

And yes after the development Work is done it is up to those who care about the m,usic to explore it.

Still my humble opinion is that it still needs it's time to adapt kind of the musical language developed with previous Libraries and Plkayers to the new one. Than we will see, what it really is about the new Library and its ambitious Player.

@muziksculp said:

VSL needs to post some great sounding new Synchron Strings Demos, produced using the new Synchron Player, where are they ? Nothing to hear so far. Maybe they need some more time, hopefully not a few months until we get to hear some new demos. But if they do post some new demos that sound wonderful, showing the quality of the legatos, shorts, longs, and other articulations, that will make us go Wow ! Is that Synchron Strings Playing ? then this will change everything as far as the negative perception, or aura this library has surrounding it.

I must say I agree with fahl5. This is a huge new library, there are lots of new features, and it has depth. I would not presume to judge such a serious undertaking without at least doing a whole project with it, which is what I am doing at the moment. And so far I like it. I'll have more to say, but not before I know it MUCH better than I do at this point. When I first started using VIPro there were lots of things I didn't see the reason for, but now I understand them. I'm sure the same thing will happen with the Synchron player.

@AntoineM said:

I own every other VSL string libraries. I love all of them, especially Dimension Strings.

This one is the only one I frankly do not like. The main reasons: 

• Lack of basic articulations such as a real portamento
• Cheap/fake articulations (fp/sfz)
• Lack of expressiveness in high velocities
• No divisi like in LASS.
• No real innovation.
• => Bad value for money!

And so much wait for so few… 

I also feel that VSL do not care about customer feedback. They never « pamper » their customers. Plus, if you lose or break the painful dongle, you are totally f..cked.

My level of satisfaction so far : 2 / 10 (for the flautandos and some shorts).

Ha. Basically my review. Have the Super Package, so basically everything. Love most of VSL but always missed a bit more singing legato. Sad that SS1 didn't work out as promised, and actually fail the most with its legato. 

The flautandos sounds great and already sits in a film. But unfortunately that's kinda it. Found another string library that have filled the gap. Probably last time I'm pre-ordering a library.

2/10 😞

@AntoineM said:

I own every other VSL string libraries. I love all of them, especially Dimension Strings.

This one is the only one I frankly do not like. The main reasons: 

• Lack of basic articulations such as a real portamento
• Cheap/fake articulations (fp/sfz)
• Lack of expressiveness in high velocities
• No divisi like in LASS.
• No real innovation.
• => Bad value for money!

And so much wait for so few… 

I also feel that VSL do not care about customer feedback. They never « pamper » their customers. Plus, if you lose or break the painful dongle, you are totally f..cked.

My level of satisfaction so far : 2 / 10 (for the flautandos and some shorts).

Ha. Basically my review. Have the Super Package, so basically everything. Love most of VSL but always missed a bit more singing legato. Sad that SS1 didn't work out as promised, and actually fail the most with its legato. 

The flautandos sounds great and already sits in a film. But unfortunately that's kinda it. Found another string library that have filled the gap. Probably last time I'm pre-ordering a library.

2/10 😞

Hi saxmand,

Thanks for the feedback.

That's very unfortunate, maybe VSL has something to say about this.

Sadly, so far they are not replying, or at least letting users know that they are concerned about the dissatisfaction with Synchron Strings 1 quality, and that they might be willing to fix any issues, or even re-do a big chunk of this library to improve it. 

Now that I have just done a little project with the Synchron Strings, I want to mention a few things I LIKE about them. And I also have and use all the other VSL strings.

1) Ability to control the degree of marcato attack note by note,

2) ability to crossfade between different degrees of vibrato,

3) ability to do the above at the same time!

4) crossfading from normal to soft legato and vice versa,

5) more velocity levels.

Some (not all) of these things were possible before, using crossfaded patches, but even there, with a lot more work.

It's taking me a while  to learn the new player, but so far I think it's worth it.

I'll have more to say as I work more with it.