Thanks Dave! It is a very direct mix, just loading the instruments into the MIR Synchron with only a little adjustment of wet/dry ratios.  I am still not too familiar with this venue so am trying it out.  It seems spacious but very clear.  

Thank you Claude!  The mix is due to Synchron which gives a really good sound instantly.  Though I am still trying to figure out how to incorporate it in general.  It  has a clear sound and that makes one want to add more wet, so it is easy to go too far.  

While waiting for the Synchron Player which is obviously a hugely difficult and complex piece of software that needs to be worked on... I should distract from the real interest of the player.  

Putting it more positively I would actually like to hear those other pieces mentioned, not just as taunting, but seriously.  

Hi William, 

Everybody is welcome in this forum and we are happy about every contribution to this community. 

What we don't like are fights. Everybody has a right to his own opinion as long as it is not insulting to anybody else on the forum, especially on a personal level. 

We do hear and appreciate both criticism and praise and our response it to work even harder, in both cases.

Sp in short: Let's not fight. Please. 

Thanks, 
Paul 

Hi William, I love "The Valiant", the music, the sound. I don't hear any difference between the silent stage instruments and the synchron stage instruments, when it comes to the space, where they have been placed in. So I think, with this piece you show that the fear, that old libraries become legacy, is unjust and that VSL is making an even vaster pallet of thousands of colors of instruments. We are rich that we can have this beautiful source of instruments for our musical needs and we can congratulate each other for that, with a thanks to the guys in Vienna 😊

thanks MMKA. I agree on the sounds being very compatible also.  

Today, Spitfire Audio anounced their 'new' direction (which has been crafted for the last two years now...)

Spitfire Studio Strings!

Their poster reads as follows:

"An incredibly versatile pro-end dry stage sample library - giving you total control."

I hate to have been the prophet about this while back when this forum thread first started...

Cheers to all with much love!

Funny, they sell a "dry stage sample library" and therefor very little ambiance, with 7 Microphone-Positions. I am not sure if that RAM-Load will be that efficient.😶

Kontakt? Meanwhile their HZString-Player is not that much different, to stay with Kontakt does not seem to me that innovative. 😶

However Pro seem to be very cheap in respect to GB per €: 210 GB only 399€ = 526 Mb/€ 😛

(while the normal version with 13 GB makes 199€  = 65mb/€ 😔)

@LAJ said:

Beautiful emotional Legato, beautiful Mutes, Divisi, .

What disappoints me again and again, with the seemingly "large" Spitfire Articulation lists, is that they are in fact often so incomplete:

• Only one or two Legatotypes and those only in a few sections available.
• No fast Legato
• No accentuated Legato
• the same is with Sordini often only Long CS only some sections have also some short CS but no Legato CS at all, while in reality an instrument with sordino is able to play everything what it would play without
• Divisi with just 6 different basic articulations
• not that prepared for higher or even brilliant tempo:
• no fast legato type
• I can not see if and how much any shortpatch include round robin or not

At least coming from VSL everything seem to more or less just 'adumbrate' but never made consequently complete and is therefor in my eyes scarcly fully usable in the same way. And there is little hope that they will ever ad any further Volume to complete what is missing.

And of course still as clumsy to use as we know it from Kontakt-Libraries

@LAJ said:

Well ... you can‘t have it all ;D .. that‘s why I wrote VI and the Studio Strings will be a good combination.

OK I see.

Yes, perhaps nice to get some cheap additional colors available. (I am a more and moret cautious with that kind of selling point which blows up my SSD-Need so fast.) however it is at least imaginable that way.

as I said good GB/€ ration (for the Pro edition) meanwhile I still wonder if it would realy be that reasonmable to have 7 Microphone-Positions for a "dry" Studio Library,

"Hans Zimmer strings"  

That is a sickening concept.

@William said:

"Hans Zimmer strings"

That is a sickening concept.

btw - I don't care anymore about any change in VSL's direction -this thread was brought up out of the murk of the internet and is basically irrelevant. I moved on long ago. Change in direction? Great! I couldn't care less. Go 180! I love it.

LAJ sorry got a little carried away. I lapse into a comatose state accompanied by violent twitching and frothing at the mention of Hans Zimmer.

@William said:

"Hans Zimmer strings"  

That is a sickening concept.

Yes it is. And even more important a pretty clumsy sedate reacting result of this concept.

I think they (spitfire) have learned a least a bit from the often not very friendly reactions.

While it seem to me if they drew the wrong consequence if they droped the development of an original Sampleplayer, even if their HZS-Player does not seem to go notably beyond what we already knew from their Kontakt UI. However, they at least try to do something of quality even if the results cant be for us anything more than perhaps an additional resource of Patchvariants.

I still do have most expectations for VSL keeping track to continue of what they have bedung in the Quality and depth we are used to get only here.

@William said:

"Hans Zimmer strings"  

That is a sickening concept.

Yes it is. And even more important a pretty clumsy sedate reacting result of this concept.

I think they (spitfire) have learned a least a bit from the often not very friendly reactions.

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean you have to talk like you do, Fahl.

I don't think Zimmer Strings was a failure. Not financially, not artistically. It is a very special library with a special sound that obviously isn't meant for classical/normal orchestral work. Hence the special articulation set present in it as well. It is for hybrid/experimental stuff, something I doubt you understand or have any insight in.

I am sure there are good reasons why (several) of their newer releases don't use their own new sample player. They could have been in development even before Zimmer Strings was, or they need features that their own sample player doesn't have yet and would take long to incorporate (this could be GUI related also). Also their own engine is only a single instrument player (for now). They could quite possibly be waiting for it to be finished as multi instrument player before they make anything advanced use it.

@William said:

"Hans Zimmer strings"  

That is a sickening concept.

Yes it is. And even more important a pretty clumsy sedate reacting result of this concept.

I think they (spitfire) have learned a least a bit from the often not very friendly reactions.

Just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean you have to talk like you do, Fahl.

I don't think Zimmer Strings was a failure. Not financially, not artistically. It is a very special library with a special sound that obviously isn't meant for classical/normal orchestral work. Hence the special articulation set present in it as well. It is for hybrid/experimental stuff, something I doubt you understand or have any insight in.

I am sure there are good reasons why (several) of their newer releases don't use their own new sample player. They could have been in development even before Zimmer Strings was, or they need features that their own sample player doesn't have yet and would take long to incorporate (this could be GUI related also). Also their own engine is only a single instrument player (for now). They could quite possibly be waiting for it to be finished as multi instrument player before they make anything advanced use it.

Sorry, but I can not see any reason why you should tell anyone how he has to talk ort not. You have your opinion I have mine, try to be adult enough to just respect that.