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I have to add just how wrong this part of the previous post is - "fight our tools and spend hours tweaking midi CC's and setting up keyswitches & performances to realize the music we hear in our heads..."
I did not write this correctly...
Then get a full live orchestra. Problem solved. BTW many composers have done just that.
Fight our tools? What fight? You mean USE your tools? What do you think professional musicians do? They do all of that for you. But you don't have professional musicians You have a sample library. So you want it to do automatically what the professionals do.
Again I respectfully disagree with your stance. If what you said was true, VSL would have never invented the best VI player in the world - they would have never allowed "huminazation functionality" in VI pro, they would have never allow for speed to control playback of different samples and for the many differnet ways to trigger matrixes, not to mention their sequencer in VI pro, etc. They would have left it as one track per sample and thats it, and you would have to play multiple takes on these different tracks, edit these so they are balanced, etc in order to realize a single musical line. ALL these innovations are to make their sample libraries easier to perform, not program. This is the big difference, and again IMO is where the future of sample libraries are going. In fact, VSL already saw this comming to a degree, which is why they added such functionality to VI pro in the first place, no?
And so a generic automatic interpretation of musical ideas DOES NOT EXIST. But you want that, right? With full orchestra.Then get a full live orchestra. Problem solved. BTW many composers have done just that.
Wow - so you dont think virtual instruments should behave more like musicians? You think they are mutally exclusive? Isn't that what we are using sampled instruments for in the firstplace, to realize our original music as if it was played by real musicians? I'm confused as to your point I guess.
Also the VSL approach is based on musical values, not arbitrary decisions of programmers. i see that so much with other libraries. one has to adapt away from the basic nature of musical expression to match them. That is never found in VSL because everything is keyed to the actual expressions of music in performance.
Very simple - because all of the things you want done automatically MUST be done by control from the compsoer or conductor. if they are done automatically they are worthless. And the ways they are controlled within Vi/VE are the most elegant and simple to use of any library.
I agree to a point, but I must admit I found the virharmonic demo in which he didn't use a single CC or keyswitch to be very impressive. Perhaps its different as a listener as I do not know the composers intent, therefore do not know if it was realized properlly. Perhaps as a compositon tool it would be too frustrating, though its my understanding you can override any automatically chosen performance element, so in a way its like VI-pro and its matrixes, except it will hopefully get you 80% of the way there on the first pass without any setup time. But again, maybe I'm not understanding the instrument fully and would love to hear from you more specifics since you own both.
Appreciate the discussion BTW. 😊
p.s. feel free to PM me if you would rather share your thoughts in private. Again I really appreciate any specifics you can provide as you own both of these tools. Thanks again.
IMHO, musically intelligent virtual performers are the future of expressive music using these libraries. The virharmonic approach is moving in the right direction. I'm not sure, from their documentation on the website, how user-configurable their performances are. That's the key component in any of this. The composer needs to be able to design or sculpt a performance style that can be saved as a performance preset and then applied to the music on playback. There are some real issues with being able to do this in real time to achieve an improvisational performance because some features of the music that you'd want to be made expressive are only known after they've occured, such as melodic peaks and troughs, the first pitch in a repetition, etc. That means the software would need to be able to look into the future. Quantum computers perhaps? ;-). This, of course, is completely possible when treating a pre-composed MIDI score by introducing an event delay in analyzing the score, effectively allowing the software to look into the future.
We're on the cusp folks... stay tuned for interesting times to come using these technologies.
Kenneth.
IMHO, musically intelligent virtual performers are the future of expressive music using these libraries. The virharmonic approach is moving in the right direction.
Kenneth
I own both Virharmonic instruments as well as VSL libraries and I think Kenneth is spot on here. The future will be more like the Bohemian Soul Capture series and less like VSL, I believe. I think that one day in the not too distant future we'll look back on all the dials and switches and knobs and bells and whistles and laugh about them as we use expressive digital incarnations of instrumental performers to create music.
I also think that's exactly where VSL is headed with Synchron Strings and Synchron Player. The future is ease of use and fluid expressive instruments. With their experience in making exquisite digital instruments and their stature and gravitas as one of the premier leaders in this arena, they will probably be at the forefront again soon...
Michael
