In Time There Will Be No Time (was "Newly Mastered")

[Jerry Gerber]

I realized after hearing this piece again it was not sonically what I want, neither texturally or in terms of dynamics. This version sounds better.

Performed by VSL Orchestral, Appassionata and Solo Strings. Composed and produced by Jerry Gerber.

In Time There Will Be No Time

[Jos Wylin]

Hi Jerry,

This is amazing. Not the best of your sonic realisations, but a fantastic composition. Harmonically full of surprises and unexpected connections, phrases. It is definitely one of my favourites.

Max

[agitato]

This is a powerful and emotional piece. I suppsoe thats what you intended with the title. Feels like everything is lost and time has ended.

Dont know what else to say. Well done!

[Beat Kaufmann]

Hi Jerry

About the mastered piece: Checkout the stereo-matter. The stereo-widening is way too much. It seems that you have no more signals in the center. Also switch to "mono" and you will recognice a changement of the sound (less volume, less..., ...  ). While this "wide effect" can sound very nice with headphones it sounds very "phasy" with monitors. Use a corrlation meter for checking this matter. Currently it moves between 0 and -1 instead of 0 and +1.

Solution; Swap the phase of one channel or reduce the value of the stereo widening effect.

All the best

Beat

[Jerry Gerber]

@Beat Kaufmann said:

Hi Jerry

About the mastered piece: Checkout the stereo-matter. The stereo-widening is way too much. It seems that you have no more signals in the center. Also switch to "mono" and you will recognice a changement of the sound (less volume, less..., ...  ). While this "wide effect" can sound very nice with headphones it sounds very "phasy" with monitors. Use a corrlation meter for checking this matter. Currently it moves between 0 and -1 instead of 0 and +1.

Solution; Swap the phase of one channel or reduce the value of the stereo widening effect.

All the best

Beat

Hi Beat,

Thanks for catching that.   My polar meter is showing there is sufficient energy in the mid-stereo area, albeit not as much if I remove the stereo widening.  The phase meter is going into the red above 35% or so.  When I lower it to 20% from 67% (using Ozone 5) I can barely hear the difference between having no stereo-widening and having it at 20%.   I am mastering this in a decent room with Adam S3a speakers and lots of acoustic treatment to contain frequencies and reflections.  It sounds good to my ear even with the higher stereo-widening.  But in any event, the effect is so minimal that I removed the stereo-widening completely.   It doesn't sound much different, but there is now of course a little more energy in the middle, with a very minor loss of textural transparency.  The link is now to the new version. 

My question: Is a little out-of-phase signal musically undesireable in all circumstances?  The value is in the trade-off, too much of a good thing is not good, too little of same and it just adds signal but no musical or artistic value. 

Jerry

[Beat Kaufmann]

@jsg said:

...My question: Is a little out-of-phase signal musically undesireable in all circumstances?  The value is in the trade-off, too much of a good thing is not good, too little of same and it just adds signal but no musical or artistic value. 

Jerry

Hi Jerry

You do your mix as you like it. It is always your decision. It is also up to you to implement suggestions or not.

My daily job is "listen to tracks" and "what could be done for letting them sound (even) better. You probably spent hours with your piece while I listened the first time to it. Within seconds I got the impression: out of phase!

So my feedback was not thought as an attack but as a help (check out the stereo matter). You obviously did a new version. Now I take care not to make any more comment about it 😉

All the best and a lot of success with your compositions

Beat