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  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi jwitzsch, 

    I just wanted to point you to the free demo license for VE PRO 6, but realized that you have already purchased it! Congrats!

    A more elegant solution for the external FX-Rack solution has been on our list fpr quite a while now, I hope we can get to it with one of the planned updates later this year. 

    We're always happy to get some feedback, so let us know how this works for you!

    Best,
    Paul 

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    ...you have already purchased it! Congrats!

    ... external FX-Rack solution has been on our list fpr quite a while now, I hope we can get to it with one of the planned updates later this year.

    Paul - thanks so much for getting back with an answer (to both my posts)! Reading about your plans sounds very promising, looking forward to the update! Right now, I'm delving into VEP to get to know all its functions, kudos for this amazing piece of software!

    Mind telling me, whether the (non proper procedure, I did not follow any rules!!!) FX-workaround, that I just discovered by thinking outside the box, might produce any problems:

    I did not create any instrument/aux tracks and insert VEP6 like suggested in the manual. Instead, I just took my first audio track, and inserted your audio-plugin in the first slot and the VEP right below in the second slot, assigned send and return to channels 1&2 and could send & receive processed audio after inserting my plugin(s) in the VEP server instance.

    I did so with a second track, assigning send and return to channels 3&4 completely independet of the first track.

    So: no additional AUXs or instrument tracks in ProTools, 12.6 just plain and simple inserting VE in single tracks...

    Suprised, that this works? Or problematic in terms of things I am not thinking of/considering, and/or processor load in my DAW?

    P.S.: as for VST plugins, Vienna Ensemble 5 properly recognizes Waves' 9.6 and 9.7 two MAIN VST DLLs and their "compressed" individual plugin contents, Vienna Ensemble Pro 6 does not, anymore. I know, that VE does not officially support Waves VST, but it might be worth looking into, if ever possible. Waves is just too good to loose them in VEP 6...

    Kind regards!
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi, 

    Sounds like that works nicely, and I don't see any troubles. 

    Did you check the the Waves plug-ins are not in the Waveshell and assigned in the correct VST Plug-in folders?

    Best,
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    ...Did you check the the Waves plug-ins are not in the Waveshell and assigned in the correct VST Plug-in folders?

    They are in the Waveshell (sorry for not knowing the correct terms, that's what I meant by "compressed" - there are just two DLLs in the VST folder). VE 5 seems to get along with the Waveshell and gives me access ot all my Waves plugins, VEP 6 not anymore. VST plugin folder (64bit...) has the same path in VE 5 and VEP 6 settings.
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi, 

    So did you try to extract those plug-ins from Waveshell? Should be worth a try. 

    Best,
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    Hi jwitzsch, 

    I just wanted to point you to the free demo license for VE PRO 6, but realized that you have already purchased it! Congrats!

    A more elegant solution for the external FX-Rack solution has been on our list fpr quite a while now, I hope we can get to it with one of the planned updates later this year. 

    We're always happy to get some feedback, so let us know how this works for you!

    Best,
    Paul 

     

    Hi Paul,

    With all the exciting new work happening regarding synchron libraries, I just thought I'd voice a hope/request that something for extrenal FX-Rack is still being looked at.

    I found this thread by googling, and I don't browse the forum much at all, so apologies if this conversation has been furthered elsewhere already!

    very best,

    Chris
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
    PaulP

    Hi Chris, 

    Improving VE PRO as an external FX-Rack is still on our plate, but not with a high priority, I have to say. 

    Best, 
    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    Oki doke, thanks for the info, and for the lightening quick reply!

    cheers,

    Chris
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    @Paul said:

    Hi Chris, 

    Improving VE PRO as an external FX-Rack is still on our plate, but not with a high priority, I have to say. 

    Best, 
    Paul

    I think this is really short sighted, and a huge missed opprtunity and revenue stream. The market is hungry for this kind of software solution.

    Do you guys not realize how easily you could have a standalone product that would basically lead the charge for offloading plugins to a local host or multiple slave machines that the user wants to turn into a DSP server? 

    Why not split it out and make it a whole new product? You have the technology 90% of the way there already. IF you split it into a new product, you could recode the hurdles in VEP that are holding you back. 

    You could make products like Waves SoundGrid DSP Servers a thing of the past, or at least offer another viable option. 

    PLEASE! Think about this again!
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    Yep! 

    This would be one of my primary uses for VEP...finding this topic whilst trying to work it out has been very disappointing for me, and now I'm not sure if i'll buy VEPro this month...

    one thing at least, it's useful for reverbs as is, my main concern being the very heavy but truly excellent waves h reverb and abbey road plates.

    But, even insert plugins like waves butch vig vocals have ridiculous cpu usage and i'd love to use VEP as a dedicated fx processor.

    Please reconsider

    Sincerely, T.
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    Using Vepro as an FX rack is waited by many users ! Logic and all Daws would work smoothly ! Mac users could buy cheaper slave PC to run all kind of plugins...please make it happen !
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    I thought you can use VST plugins from the slave to the host already?
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    This is exactly why I bought VE pro  so I can use my MBP with a second one running reverbs so I can finnish mixes while working on the road. All the marketing sugested  this was alredy a feature.
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    I asked the very same question and was wondering if a faster ethernet connection Woodworks a like 5 gig or 10 gig ethernet will be able to use a slave computer to do insert processing and hook up external gear as well as plugins on a slave computer that would be fantastic
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    +1 for using VEP as a virtual effects rack. It is working in DP 8.7 but it is very clumsy to offset the latency. The Waves Soundgrid system may be stealing your potential customers...
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    Using Logic Pro X, I am able to workaround this to run my masterbus series plugin chain via VEP6 (Virtual console modelling plug, bus compressor, EQ and a couple of styles of limiter- all in high quality mode). As this chain of plugins usually operate in series, on a single bus, Logiic Pro X isn’t able to separate this out as several tasks for multithreaded processing, so I’m often in a situation where I’m topping out a single processor, whilst the other 7 operate at around 10% . By sending my entire mix and the output of any auxiliary tracks or VI outputs to an auxilary bus in Logic, I can then use the Vienna Ensemble input plugin to send it back to VE Pro 6, to run my masterbus effects chain which seems to be much more efficient on processor load. To get the sound back into Logic, I then need to set up another Instrument track which I route to my output 1&2 channels. The routing is very messy and in this instance could be improved by creating a single ‘insert point’ plug, which simply allows you to choose where you want the audio to go, and where you want the audio to come back from. As I’m only using this for mixing, added latency or latency reporting isn’t too much of an issue as every element of my mix is going the same way, (so no timing issues), but I can see the engineering challenge if people wanted to use VEP6 as a host for several independent FX racks or want to use it live. I think it’s worth persevering with as the benefits of having this functionality are HUGE. Is this still planned in development? Until then, I would be happy with the ‘insert point’ routing plugin... if you wanted to provide some less convoluted routing options in the iterim!
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    Just wanted to add a +1 to this feature request/new product. I’d buy it instantly and I think any company who can bring this to market in a slick way will clean up.
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    Believe me! It should be! 
  • N
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    I've been using VEP6 as the dedicated FX rack via LAN network in the mixdown phase and it works great.  When tracking and during session work I use FX placed directly on tracks themselves.  The VEP becomes my FX rack after I'm ready to mix, at which point I find the latency amount and use delay compensation to line everything back up. 

    Being that sometimes DAW's can introduce latency internally I'm not sure how they would compensate that in realtime here but if you're satisfied routing instruments to and from the network VEP server app I don't think you'll have much of an issue on the FX side. 
  • civilization 3C
    civilization 3C

    It looks like Logic users believe the way VE Pro returns to Logic is how it is for all.
    It isn't. I've been using VE Pro in the Audio Input mode for years. It's not convoluted in Cubendo.

    With an instance up and running, you establish an FX instance and you send the audio - or the Instrument Channel from VE Pro or anything which is de facto an audio channel - and it comes back like VE Pro comes back; in a new Instrument Channel or channels as determined in the VST Rack. It's not convoluted per se. I don't think VSL can make Logic not be Logic here. Maybe AU3 will be meaningful here, I don't know. I don't use Logic today and this is one reason why.