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I'm having trouble changing from one drum instrument (Manual Sound Set Program “Drums”) to another in Sibelius 7.5, for example Bass Drum to Snare, on the one stave. The wrong instrument inevitably gets triggered once I add the change. However no problems changing between different Sound Sets, for example Bass Drum to Celesta.
I don't have to reserve a channel for each drum instrument on the Manual Sound Set page, do I? Doesn't work anyway.
Hello caign!
An instrument change between different drums works fine here. You will need a separate MIDI channel for all instruments in your score. So if you change from one drum instrument to another, you will have to apply the "Drums" program to two channels on the Manual Sound Sets page and reserve these two channels in Vienna Ensemble as well.
Best regards, Andi
Have tried this. I have two "Drums" channels set aside. Trouble is, the list of program names does not have "Bass Drum" and "Snare" as separate entries, only "Drums". So how does Sibelius know which MIDI channel to use for which?
See attached screen prints. As soon as I add a Bass Drum instrument change, I get a snare sound. Could there be some instrument change in there that I can't see?
The first drum instrument in your score will use the first assigned drum MIDI channel, the second one will use the second channel and so on.
I can see in your screenshots that you have two "Percussion" staves in your score. As far as I remember, the Sibelius "Percussion [1 line]" staff uses a drum sound per default. So for your example you would already need three channels assigned to drums - one for Percussion 1, one for Percussion 2 and one for Bass Drum. Anyway, I recommend not using the Sibelius "Percussion" instruments at all, but starting with the instrument you want to get played first - in your case Bass Drum on the first percussion staff. If you want to have the instrument name "Percussion 1" at the beginning of your score, you can rename it.
Hi andi,
I changed the first Percussion instrument to Bass Drum then changed instrument to Snare Drum after a number of bars and this resolved the problem. Thank you!
Did not try a third Drums channel with a Percussion stave yet but what you said makes sense and I have followed your recommendation to start with a Bass Drum stave in the first place.
I find it difficult to diagnose and debug problems like this because I cannot see what's happening under the scenes with assignment of MIDI channels, instruments, etc. But this is a Sibelius problem rather than a VSL problem.
Thanks again and I hope this forum topic helps others having similar problems.
Kind regards,
caign
I have had various problems getting the correct instrument to sound with the correct stave, typified by my former problems with Bass Drum and Snare listed above.
This is because I'm using one Sibelius Configuration for multiple scores, and some Manual Sound Set Programs contain multiple instruments. If some instruments are not found in a score, Sibelius will simply use the instrument loaded in the first matching Program. If I'm not using Bass Drum in a score but I am using Snare, Bass Drum will sound on the Snare stave because it's loaded in the shared Configuration with the lowest MIDI channel number.
Now that I finally sort of know what I'm doing, I understand this problem and I have this feedback for Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH:
Please list each instrument individually as a separate Manual Sound Set Program, rather than sharing a Program for multiple instruments, for example how Castinets and Shaker both share the Percussion Program.
Andi, is there any reason this could not be done? Seems to me it would solve this problem for everyone.
I'm having trouble changing from one drum instrument (Manual Sound Set Program “Drums”) to another in Sibelius 7.5, for example Bass Drum to Snare, on the one stave. The wrong instrument inevitably gets triggered once I add the change. However no problems changing between different Sound Sets, for example Bass Drum to Celesta.
I don't have to reserve a channel for each drum instrument on the Manual Sound Set page, do I? Doesn't work anyway.
I agree with you VSL could provide an instrument (VI) for each drum instrument, so it will up to the user to decide if he wants to use 1 x midi channel for all percussions or a midi channel per percussion instrument.
Thanks in advance VSL
Hi Cyril!
I'm not sure what you mean. It has always been possible to use a different MIDI channel for every percussion instrument.
Best,
Andi
Hello Andi,
Sorry I misandurstood Caign problem !
Best
Cyril
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