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  • 1. It's hard to give precise instructions without seeing your example.

    2. For staccato sixteenth notes, the repetitions will be triggered automatically. That's why I suggested trying the normal staccato articulation in one of the custom cells.

    3. Again it's hard to give precise instructions without seeing your example or knowing exactly what you want. You have different tools to get what you want at your hand.
    - Change note lengths, velocities and start positions with the Sibelius Inspector.
    - Try different articulations. For example sfz, perf-rep_leg and detache have stronger attacks than sustain.
    - Try to raise the Advanced/Envelope/Rel slider for the sustain articulation. This will generate smoother transitions.
    - You could also try to raise the general Release fader. It can be controlled with MIDI CC23.
    Sibelius commands for controlling CC23 are as follows:
    ~C23,63 for default value
    ~C23,80 for longer release time (value 80 is just an example here).

    I don't see a reason to be disappointed. You have a powerful tool at hands. Just don't expect everything to sound great automatically. You will have to shape the playback to get what you want.


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    Hi, Andi!

    Thanks for sticking with me. I am going to try to attach three files to this post in a zip file:

    1) A Sibelius 7.13 file with examples of the issues I'm describing
    2) A PDF of the Sibelius score
    3) An MP3 audio of the Sibelius file

    I hope these files help you to resolve my issues!

    VSL Demo.zip-1696285776700-b552c.zip

  • I'm not at the office today and will take a look at your example tomorrow. In the meantime you could try out my suggestions.

    Best,
    Andi


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  • Hi Free Trial!

    Here are a few suggestions of what you can do.
    Bar 1: Use legato or increase the Release-Time as suggested earlier.
    Bars 2, 5 and 6: Sounds ok by me, especially if you add reverb. Anyway, with Vienna Instruments Pro it's possible to shorten the transition time for legato with the options Advanced/Start Offset, Advanced Start Offset Attack and Start. You can get a free demo license of VI Pro here:
    http://www.vsl.co.at/en/Vienna_Software_Package/Vienna_Instruments_PRO

    Bars 8 and 9: You didn't add staccato marks. So the default articulation (sustain) gets played. If you want to hear staccato, add staccato marks.

    Best regards,
    Andi


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  • Hi, Andi!

    Thanks for your reply. To clarify my previous post:

    Bar 1: This bar was in response to suggestions that I should not use legato. I want to use legato for that passage. The point of bar 1 was to explain why I don't want to use sustain or detache.

    Bars 2, 5, 6: The length of the transition doesn't seem to be the issue. The issue is that in a transition between two notes, the first note gets louder. This sounds like the opposite of how cross-fade normally works, where the first note gets softer and the second note gets louder. Compare it to a slideshow of pictures. When one picture fades into the next, the first picture does not become clearer during the transition -- it becomes less clear.

    Now, if I bought the Pro version and "shortened the transition time for legato" to zero, that might get rid of the problem by removing the cross-fade entirely. However, it seems like I could replicate that with the Standard version just by setting the cross-fade intensity to zero. Furthermore, I want a cross-fade between notes; I just don't want the first note to get louder during that cross-fade.

    I realize that I'm somewhat speculating here, but I need to make sure that you understand my problem before I spend 100 euros on Pro in an attempt to fix it.

    Bars 8 and 9: I don't want to hear staccato. I mentioned staccato because you suggested that "for staccato sixteenth notes, the repetitions will be triggered automatically". I was pointing out that the sixteenth notes were not being played staccato, so the repetitions were not being triggered automatically.

    My issue is that bars 8-9 sound like how bars 10-11 would be played: syncopated, with uneven rhythms. I don't want this. I want each note to sound like a sixteenth note. The fact that repetitions sometimes have uneven rhythms should not come into play, because there are no repetitions in this passage, whether automatically triggered or otherwise.

    So, to clarify, here are my questions:

    1. How do I make bar 2 not sound like bar 3?

    2. How do I make bars 8-9 not sound like bars 10-11?


  • 1. Try Vienna Instruments Pro. The demo license is for free. So you can decide after trying it, if you want to purchase it. The Start offset function I have mentioned is explained in the VI PRO manual on page 47. You will also have to raise the Start fader under Advanced/Perform to hear the difference.
    http://www.vsl.co.at/en/MyVSL

    2. Try staccato marks, detache and legato or use one of the custom cells with staccato loaded.


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  • Hi, Andi!

    Re: 1. I installed the Vienna Instruments Pro 2 demo and downloaded the user's manual. The Start Offset functions work fine. I tried many combinations of settings, including Start Offset Mode, Start Offset, Start Offset Attack, Release Mode, and they all work as expected.

    But they do not solve my problem, which does not concern how the notes start, but how they end. Each note gets louder as it cross-fades into the next one. Bar 2 sounds like bar 3. So does bar 1 if it's played legato. I don't want this. I want each note to get softer as it cross-fades into the next one. That's how cross-fade should work.

    Re: 2. I don't want the passage to be played staccato, detache or legato. I want the default articulation (sustain), which is what I'm getting. That's all fine. I'm not having any trouble producing staccato either, when I want it. My problem has nothing to do with staccato. My problem is that the rhythms in bars 8-9 are distorted, no matter which articulation(s) are played.

    Please let me know if you have any other possible suggestions, especially if they involve VI Pro (while my demo license is still valid!).


  • Re 1. You could soften the transition by using Start Offset Mode "Leg" with only a short Start Offset (but higher than 0) and a longer Start Offset Attack.

    Re 2. The sustain articulation isn't ment for short notes. It has a soft attack and doesn't work with concise ryhtmic phrases. Other articulations will work better. I have tried detache with your example and think it works well.


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  • Re 2. Detache with a live duration of 96 works well enough for me. I'll still have to adjust the live start positions and velocities in the Sibelius inspector, but it's better than the sustain. Problem solved! Thanks for your help on this!

    Re 1. I tried three configurations: Start Offset Attack 10ms, 40ms and 100ms, with Start Offset 10ms and Start Offset Mode Leg. None of those configurations solved the problem. The rhythm still sounds like grace notes. (I did remember to raise the Start fader, by the way.) Any sugggestions for what to try next?


  • Re 2. Good.
    Re 1. Add reverb. Other than that I've got no more suggestions.


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