I use the DS strings for divisi (4 vls for the top voice and 4 vls for the lower voice)

and I use the appasionnata to double the most important voice (usualy the top voice for the violins and violas and the lower voice for the cellos and basses).

4 DS vls + Appa vls

________

4 DS vls

When I feel that the balance is'nt right I put less players on the doubled voice:

2 DS vls + Appa vls

________

6 DS vls

In unison everybody plays:

8 DS vls + Appa vls

And the mix between DS and Appa can help the balance. 

Maybe we will see a bigger dimension strings library in the future so we could do the exact player number for divisi parts. I would like to see a bigger Dimension Strings that are dived in groups of 2 or 4 players instead of single players in order to have a 16 violins section and bigger sound.

I'm sure you can have really good result without using MIR. VSS should the the job. VSL libraries are not pre-panned so you can easily positionned them. 

I apologize- this is  test post, as my latops' gone wonky.

i also use dimension strings most of the time. i have two tracks for each section for long and short notes (exept basses) so it makes 18 tracks for strings.

if you want the appassionata sound and only five tracks in your daw i wouldn't care about numbers of players. sample world is different. for me it never sounds like the orchestra is suddenly doubled when playing chords in a single section. the vienna instrument (pro) is very flexible. you can have legato articulations and play polyphonic at the same time. so if you write divisi just play two or more notes in a section.

the missing second violins is a part of vsl that i don't like. you can do the transpose trick (transpose the whole violin section down a whole step and tune them up by pitch bend again - which can be pre programmed inside VIP) and use them as second violins. so you don't use the same samples when all violins are playing unison. that way you avoid phasing problems (which are also there when using mir).

for my taste the apassionatas sound good but i'm missing some 'imperfection'. everything is 'creamy' but not 'woody'. if that makes sense at all :-) but they are definitely a good contrast to lass.

dear Fred, thanks a lot for your input!

this sounds like a very good setup, and the ability to balance the number of players is extremely clever indeed

do you have any demos of music you created using this setup, so that i can listen to the result?

I'd love to hear it!

thanks again!

all the best

@FredB said:

I use the DS strings for divisi (4 vls for the top voice and 4 vls for the lower voice)

and I use the appasionnata to double the most important voice (usualy the top voice for the violins and violas and the lower voice for the cellos and basses).

4 DS vls + Appa vls

________

4 DS vls

 

When I feel that the balance is'nt right I put less players on the doubled voice:

2 DS vls + Appa vls

________

6 DS vls

In unison everybody plays:

8 DS vls + Appa vls

And the mix between DS and Appa can help the balance. 

 

Maybe we will see a bigger dimension strings library in the future so we could do the exact player number for divisi parts. I would like to see a bigger Dimension Strings that are dived in groups of 2 or 4 players instead of single players in order to have a 16 violins section and bigger sound.

 

I'm sure you can have really good result without using MIR. VSS should the the job. VSL libraries are not pre-panned so you can easily positionned them. 

Thank you very much Saxer...do you have any demos of your music where i can listen to your setup?

I would especially like to hear some divisi parts played with the technique you described, using polyphonic legato ans sus patches to mimic a divisi line.

all the best!

-mike

@Saxer said:

i also use dimension strings most of the time. i have two tracks for each section for long and short notes (exept basses) so it makes 18 tracks for strings.

if you want the appassionata sound and only five tracks in your daw i wouldn't care about numbers of players. sample world is different. for me it never sounds like the orchestra is suddenly doubled when playing chords in a single section. the vienna instrument (pro) is very flexible. you can have legato articulations and play polyphonic at the same time. so if you write divisi just play two or more notes in a section.

the missing second violins is a part of vsl that i don't like. you can do the transpose trick (transpose the whole violin section down a whole step and tune them up by pitch bend again - which can be pre programmed inside VIP) and use them as second violins. so you don't use the same samples when all violins are playing unison. that way you avoid phasing problems (which are also there when using mir).

for my taste the apassionatas sound good but i'm missing some 'imperfection'. everything is 'creamy' but not 'woody'. if that makes sense at all 😊 but they are definitely a good contrast to lass.

@mikeheels said:

...do you have any demos of your music where i can listen to your setup?

I would especially like to hear some divisi parts played with the technique you described, using polyphonic legato ans sus patches to mimic a divisi line.

here is a little track where i used apassionata strings 4-part divisi violins just by playing polyphonic. starting at about 1:25 

https://soundcloud.com/saxer/marilyn

Hi Mike,

two examples here (Wagner & Mozart) employ DS violins combined with Orchestral & Solo Strings (Wagner) and Chamber Strings (Mozart), I thought they could be of interest to you...

thank you very much Goran and Saxer for your tips and links, very nice and very useful indeed!

I just bought Appassionata 1 Full library and will start experimenting with it as soon as it's shipped to me.

thank you again!

all the best!

-mike

Something to be aware of: In the Appassionata Strings library, I find that the strong vibrato patches (e.g. "VI-20_sus_Vib-strong") produce a much more lush sound than the regular sustain patches.

thanks for the info John!

regards

mike

I use Chamber Strings (Standard), i like them the most (but I dont have tried Dimension Strings yet ;)

Here is a Example, a Attempt making a big sound using Chamber Strings and Apassionata Strings Sustain Patch, that comes with the Special Edition

https://soundcloud.com/mw-design/a-new-day-432hz

regards

Markus

thank you Markus!

@mikeheels said:

I also noticed that there is no Violins1/Violins2 distinction

It's not well documented, but the Appassionata violins does come with a small selection of "Violins 2" patches. 

These have the same numbering as the normal violin patches, but with the letter "B" at the end, and they include patches for staccato, detache, sus_Vib, sfz, tremolo, and pizz.

@mikeheels said:

I also noticed that there is no Violins1/Violins2 distinction

It's not well documented, but the Appassionata violins does come with a small selection of "Violins 2" patches. 

These have the same numbering as the normal violin patches, but with the letter "B" at the end, and they include patches for staccato, detache, sus_Vib, sfz, tremolo, and pizz.

Thank you John! in fact I didn't know that...

Do you Appassionaa users all have MirX and use it with It? does it work well combined with Appassionata?