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  • Alto Sax Flatter Cre

    J
    J

    I'm attempting to make the Flatter Cre articulation play totally legato instead of polyphonically. Is this possible? I've tried adding it to a legato matrix but it's always poly. What do I need to do here, if it is possible?

    The dirty sounds are very good, but it seems they are made to work as a 1 or two note effect, rather than to play with melodically - is this the intent? With only crescendo notes in the Flatter articulation (no hard/fast attack versions of this articulation - save for maybe the highest 5 notes), it's hard to improvise with. I am hoping to alter it to use alongside the dirty sus for it's 'fx notes'.

    I really love these horns so far. Thanks for the awesome tools. Is there a VI trumpet that is in the style the saxes are? More pop/rock/funk? Thanks for the help.
  • J
    J

    Are very many people here trying to use these saxes outside the orchestral genre? I would think the addition of the revved up sounds would have brought a lot of r&b, pop, funk, and rock folks running for these instruments.
  • civilization 3C
    civilization 3C

    'flatter' is of course flutter tongued. The nature of the articulation kind of defies making a performance legato sampling technique I'd think. I didn't buy the saxes but the 'flatter' articulations I do have do not provide even the monophonic mode, 'N/A'.
  • J
    J

    Thanks for chiming in. I would think it's just a sample being controlled by a legato script. The note plays til you go to the next one, unless held to it's end (not a looped sample). But, I'm new enough to VI that I am still muddling to get a foothold. I haven't figured out how to apply (if even possible) a legato script in original VI. I know Kontakt does it readily. I would have loved to hear a growling, awesome VI legato scripted, set of samples. I was a bit disappointed. The Pulp Saxes tone was awesome, but I didn't catch onto the fact that the growling saxes were just single note 'fx', rather than melodic - think Urgent by Foreigner. The blending of much cleaner notes into the growl/scream notes is proving a challenge.
  • K
    K

    Yes!... having scripting control over VI Pro would be a significant leap forward.  The ability to build script libraries and share with the community would lead to some "open source" churn that might just reveal some new and useful ways this instrument can be played.

    Think about what adding expressions to Adobe After Effects did for that instrument.  Or behaviors in Apple's Motion software. 
  • civilization 3C
    civilization 3C
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    @jshep0102 said:

    Thanks for chiming in. I would think it's just a sample being controlled by a legato script.

    I don't know what that script is. VSL crafts legato as a performance, meaning that the patch is made up of recorded performance where the notes are actually legato. IE: the actual sample is cut from, a product of a legato performance, not in isolation. Other vendors say 'true legato'. I'm saying that flutter tonguing is in performance not so much legato technique.

     

    If it's a library for Kontakt, it's a true legato or it isn't, by the same measure; when not, it's a sustain patch that is set to behave monophonically. You can more or less have a smooth line this way, but that's beside my point. I think it's unfortunate that the 'flatter' patch cannot be monophonic, though
  • civilization 3C
    civilization 3C

    There is scripting in VI Pro for creating a smoother result than the raw samples are cut to provide.

    Start offset attack; interval threshold, repetition threshold... since it's got to be polyphonic, set the poly chord threshold higher. Play around and see what you find. I'm frankly skeptical that 'Kontakt scripting' is going to provide magical legato, and my experience with the more ambitious libraries for Kontakt is more often somebody working to keep up with VSL than not. There was something caught my eye recently-ish but I can't actually recall it.

    I'm getting some pretty smooth lines with 'flatter' in the piccolo flute anyway