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  • Purchase Advise.

    Hello,

        I am going to try to take advantage of Mars offer, and get that juicy discount purchasing VSL products. It is really my first serious library, (only own GPO 4 now and work in Logic X). Anyway, I was thinking of buy 6 vouchers which would ammount for a total of 800€ to spend.

       I think I clearly need: 

    SPECIAL EDITION Vol. 1 BUNDLE€535.00

    VIENNA KEY€24.00

        But other than that I do not know what would be best for me to invest in with the 250€ or so left. The options I am considering are:

    - Special Edition Vol 2   €335 (because it contains the appasionata strings and it seems the logical way to grow).

    - MIRx €195 (because it seems to streamline the process, save time, and other than Logic's Space designer I don't own any other reverb of note). (not sure if its worth going for the VIENNA MIR PRO 24 directly?).

    - VIENNA ENSEMBLE PRO 5 €235 (because it seems the way to go later on to add other computers in the loop, although I don't currently have any multicomputer setup).

    - VI PRO might also be an option if its worth the extra manipulation capabilities it would offer to one starting.

    - Any other option that I might not be considering, please feel free to let me know.

     

    I really appreciate your help and feedback,

    Benigno.


  • One thing to consider is to buy an item only when you actually need it.  it is very easy to "think" you need something only to discover, in hindsight, that you really didn't.  It is easy to quickly spend lots of money on samples/software that one ends up finding would have been better spent elsewhere.

    Certainly, there are good reasons for each of your options.  If you do go with SE vol. 2, try to also get the additional funds for the bundle, as the additional articulations do help.  Also, note that the AP Strings included in vol. 2 are more of a teaser.  The additional instruments included in SE vol. 2 will help round out your orchestra though, as vol. 1 provides a very traditional "classical period" orchestra.

    IMO, VI Pro is particularly helpful with the SE libraries as the "stretch" function can be used to create additional articulations that will help fill in the gaps.  However, it might be a good idea to learn to use the free VI first, and once you have mastered that, then get VI Pro.  There will be a lot to learn, and breaking as much of it as you can into manageable could potentially help. 

    Last, having been a GPO user back in the day, you will find the VSL samples to be in a very different league.


  • Hello Noldar,

    Thanks a lot for taking the time to help me.

    You are right about trying to get only what I need, and I know that I only need the Esp Edition bundle 1 and the key. Its the nature of the offer that makes me think about buying a bit extra.

    Vol 2 is within reach of the stretch I want to make, but going for the full bundle also right away really makes it too much of a strech.

    As for the complexity of VI Pro, I am a rather technical guy, so it might be best for me to go for it even if its not the easiest route, if it allows me to get more of the samples purchased. So it might be the best option.

    I am worried about reverb though as I am not sure how good I might be at properly positioning instruments and making it sound good enough. Are there any good tutorials or templates for SE1 in logic with example setups to learn from ?. All I have found was using VePro and/or MiRx.

    Cheers, and thanks again,

    Benigno.


  • Mir X would certainly help with reverb and instrument positioning, provided you are ok with being limited to the presets.

    IMO, if you can afford it, and can work with the limit of 24 instruments, going directly to MIR 24 might be the better option.  Note that when purchasing a MIR product, you also will need to buy at least one of the hall sets, as the venues are sold separately from MIR.  MIR 24 also requires VE Pro as well, so the MIR 24 option would be quite a bit more expensive than just MIR X.

    In my own situation, mixing is not a strength, and I have found MIR Pro to be extremely valuable in that regard.

    Also, make sure that your computer will be able to handle whatever you decide to purchase.  The SE libraries do not require very much - they even run quite well on the old pre i7 Q9xxx chips and 8 gigs of ram, while MIR 24 will require a decent i7 processor.  For MIR 24 you will want at least 12 gigs of ram, but more would be beneficial.


  • Oh well, if for MIR 24 I need VePro too, I think I will need to pass on that, else I start piling up on far too many things and if becomes far too expensive. I guess that reduces the choice to either ViPro or Volume 2 without the articulations and geting those articulations later on.


  • Or buy some SE instrument which is not includet in Vol 1. For example if you buy Vol. 4 you get choir and some instruments for 255 EU. Or Brass from Vol.2 and Vol2 plus. for 190. And if you want appasionata s., add Strings Vol2 + Vol2 Plus for 210EU.

     

    EDIT: oh i find it is older topic, I am sorry. If you want, delete my post.


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    @noldar12 said:

    One thing to consider is to buy an item only when you actually need it.  it is very easy to "think" you need something only to discover, in hindsight, that you really didn't.  It is easy to quickly spend lots of money on samples/software that one ends up finding would have been better spent elsewhere.

    Certainly, there are good reasons for each of your options.  If you do go with SE vol. 2, try to also get the additional funds for the bundle, as the additional articulations do help.  Also, note that the AP Strings included in vol. 2 are more of a teaser.  The additional instruments included in SE vol. 2 will help round out your orchestra though, as vol. 1 provides a very traditional "classical period" orchestra.

    IMO, VI Pro is particularly helpful with the SE libraries as the "stretch" function can be used to create additional articulations that will help fill in the gaps.  However, it might be a good idea to learn to use the free VI first, and once you have mastered that, then get VI Pro.  There will be a lot to learn, and breaking as much of it as you can into manageable could potentially help. 

    Last, having been a GPO user back in the day, you will find the VSL samples to be in a very different league.

    Good advice here from Noldar.

    I work on one computer like you, and started with SE Vol 1, then later added the Plus articulations.

    But the first addition I made after SE Vol 1 was VI Pro. To me that would be the highest priority. It has a learning curve, and I suggest not worrying about mastering it all right away, just pick the low-hanging fruit first and be content to progress gradually from there. But VI Pro WILL be the environment you will work in as soon as possible, trust me. So you might as well get started on it.

    The next thing I added was MIRx because I was still learning too many other things to tackle the full MIR environment. MIRx is MIR Pro done for you (it limits your options, but gives you instant spatial placement and EQ to get you started). I was able to add all three venues during a special sale last summer.

    If you get SE Vol 2 and you already have the Vol 1 PLUS, you will want the Vol 2 PLUS as well, if for no other reason than to give you consistency of options in your choice of articulations. I badly want Vol 2, but I have chosen so far to postpone that until I have the funds to get the full bundle, since it's a better deal anyway.

    Next on my horizon is the choice between SE Vol 2 Bundle, VE Pro, Vienna Suite and the jump to MIR Pro 24. I'm concerned that MIR Pro 24 may not give me enought tracks (because it's limited to 24, thus the name), so I'll probably wait on that. My next step will probably be the low-hanging fruit of VE Pro because I really can't afford the Vol 2 Bundle or Vienna Suite right now. I haven't made my final decision yet, though.

    Your mileage may vary on all this, and everybody's situations is unique, but to summarize, from my experience do not postpone getting VI Pro, and if you get Vol 2 find a way to get the PLUS as a bundle.


    W 10 i5-9600K 64 GB Synch - Woods, Brass, Perc I, Str Pro, Elt Str, Dua Str & Sordino, Prime Studio - Woods, Perc, Solo Str, Ch Str, Orch Str, App Str, Harps, Choir St Dim - Brass, Strings VE Pro, MIR Pro 3D, Vienna Suite Pro Cubase 14, St One 6, Dorico 5
  • Hello DaddyO and Obloha,

       Thanks a lot for your answers, I really appreciate it, I have finally gone for: VE1 Bundle, VIPro as you all suggested, and bought one MirX venue (the grosse concerthall) to test how it all works together. I am just now finishing installation, and went for the tutorials from Kaufman.

     Thanks a lot again, will let you know how it all goes :-)

    Benigno.