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  • Piatti - old and new

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    Hi,

    I wonder if you can help me with something that has been driving me crazy and apologies if this has come up before.  I have been replacing my giga and ESX  original cube and performance sets over the last couple of years.  I have got to the Piatti.  I have just purchased Cymbals - Full.  I cannot for the life of me find the same sounding Piatti as I want.  Specifically, I use the biggest Piatti:  22Z-Za.  As well as the original cube: BE_a-due_22Za, this large Piatti also featured in the Percussion-1st Set.  

    When I compare the new Piatti 22Z-Za in the wonderful VIpro against the old 22Z-Za Giga version running in G-Player inside VEPRo with everything else being the same, the sound is totally different.  It's like the whole bottom end is miising now.  I know the old samples were 16bit and I guess they are now 24bit but it just doesn't sound as good IMO...the depth of the sample is missing like it's been heavily EQ'd.  Am I missing something?  I could keep on using my old samples of course but I want to use VIPRo for it's flexibility with changing matrices etc.  Am I missing something?  

    I can send audio file examples if you'd like?

    Thank you!  Andy
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hello Andy!

    The samples have not been EQed or changed in any way between the original Gigastudio release and the Vienna Instruments release. You are right though that they now are in 24-bit. I tried to reproduce your problem and compared the PI_22Z-Za for Gigastudio with the G-Player and the Piatti-B_22Z-Za for Vienna Instruments. They sounded the same to me. So I guess you either compared two different velocity layers or you have a plugin inserted somewhere for the G-Player or for Vienna Instruments Pro.

    Best regards,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Andy, are you using MIRx, by any chance? If that's the case please make sure to switch off its "Pre EQ" before making any comparisons.

    Best,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    Hi Andi & Dietz and thank you!

    I am using MIRx and it was the ROOM EQUALIZERS that were causing the difference in the sound.  I had not previoisly been aware of that feature (so many other things to fiddle around with) but once I bypassed this EQ the sound was the same!

    Incidentally, I do have another question in conjunction with the Cymbals and Percussion generally.  Is it possible to trigger a sample as a 'One Shot' so that even if I write a quarter note in Sibelius and trigger the Piatti, it plays until the end of the sample instead of having to write a longer note to have the whole sample play?  I haven't been able to discover that feature if it exists.

    Thank you as always!

    Andy
  • S
    S

    I'm not an expert in these matters, but I think if you set the sample release time to maximum it will play at least most of the sample even with a short note.
  • andiA
    VSL Team
    andiA

    Hello Andy!

    You can either do what Sami has written or you can use the Sibelius Inspector to increase the playback duration.

    Best,
    Andi

    Vienna Symphonic Library
  • D
    D

    Or you can use the sustain pedal.

    DG
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    Great - The Inspector, of course!

    Now that I have discovered the MIRx Room Equalizers I am wondering whether using the Vienna Suite EQ presets for individual instruments is going to enhance my orchestral sound in any significant way.  I realize that the Room Equaizer is EQing the room specifically whereas the Vienna Suite EQ is Eqing the instrument.  I wonder if people have found these individual EQ and Compression presets to be really useful?  

    Also, if you run multiple computers (I have one slave computer but am thinking of adding a second) I wonder whether you could offer just the EQ and Compressor from the Vienna Suite as a side license for example, otherwise I presume you have to buy a another full Vienna Suite license, even though the Mastering Plugins you would probably only use as a single instance on your master computer.  The same goes for MIR...I have the full MIR having upgraded from MIR24.  If I get another slave computer to run additional VSL Libraries is there a less expensive way of adding these software elements rather than buying them mutiple times?

    Thank you as always!

    Andy
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    Vienna Suite comes with 3 licences, AFAIK.

    DG
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
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    @andygrainger said:

    [...] I realize that the Room Equaizer is EQing the room specifically whereas the Vienna Suite EQ is Eqing the instrument. [...]

    If you're referring to MIR Pro's Character EQs (which are the same as MIRx' "Pre EQ"), it is indeed EQing the actual intrument, not just the impulse responses (aka. "the room" 😉 ...).

    There _is_ a dedicated Room EQ available in MIR Pro, though (... actually a bank of over 30 seetings to choose from), but this doesn't necessarily affect just one isntrument, but all which are using a chosen setting.

    A Vienna Suite EQ could be used pre-MIR (thus only EQing the dry signal) or post-MIR (changing both the positioned direct and the achieved wet signals' sound).

    HTH, 

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library