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  • Natural Dry/Wet Offset

    In the real Großer Saal, if a real instrument performed on stage and a real microphone positioned at the conductor recorded the results, the microphone would record both a dry signal (direct from instrument) and a wet signal (reflected off the room). To simulate that dry/wet ratio most accurately, should I set each instrument's "Dry/Wet ratio" to 50% and the global "Dry/Wet offset" to 0%? Is MIR calibrated so that 50% instrument "Dry/Wet ratio" together with 0% room "Dry/Wet offset" gives the physically natural dry/wet ratio?

    Not asking what's best or most musical here (subjective); just asking how to objectively simulate a real mic in a real room. Thanks.


  • An interesting and completely justified question!

    First of all: Basically, all your basic assumptions are right. :-) The default values of 0.50 for each Icon's individual Dry/Wet-ratio at a global Dry/Wet Offset of 0% can be considered a meaningful starting. 

    But - even minor changes to the Main Microphones capsules characteristics will already ask for different ratios; adding a Secondary Microphone will increase the wet-level considerably; the simple fact that MIR allows for moving a signal farther away from the listener _without_ changing the level of the dry signal has no real equivalent anyway*). And what's more: MIR has no chance to know how "wet" the original input signal already is, thus it can't compensate for any "built-in" room information. (Mind you - we have not even started to talk about the needs and habits of different music genres when it comes to the apired "wetness" of a recording. ;-) ...)

    In a nutshell: There are too many variables to be taken into account, and therefore the honest answer is that there is not _one_ "real" setting, simply because the whole MIR concept never was about a scientifically "correct" model of a hall. Despite all its hi-tech achievements , MIR first and formemost followed an aesthetical approach. All final decisions and adjustments for MIR Pro and its Venues were done by ear (... much like any good audio engineer would do in a real hall). 

    And if you allow for a personal sidenote: Even _if_ we could achieve that outmost realism, this would not mean much from a producer's point-of-view. Music production is hardly about "It has been like that" - it's much more about "This really sounds as it _could_ have been like that."  

    *)  This "pop music mode" (as I like to call it) takes place as soon as the Distance Dependent Scaling is switched off in the Global Dry Volume Handling section of MIR Pro's Output Channel. BTW: Using MIR for acoustic pop music productions I tend to start with a -30% to - 35% Global Dry/Wet Offset. :-)

    Kind regards,


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @Another User said:

    ... First of all: Basically, all your basic assumptions are right. 😊 The default values of 0.50 for each Icon's individual Dry/Wet-ratio at a global Dry/Wet Offset of 0% can be considered a meaningful starting. 

    This gives the natural balance -- i.e., it restores the balance you recorded before removing the direct signal from the IR's; or no? Thanks for your clarification and advice.


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    @Dietz said:

    An interesting and completely justified question! ...

    All my questions are interesting and completely justified, imho.

    Well, of course they are. - As we obviously don't share the same sense of humor, let me rephrase my answer dryly: There is no way for MIR Pro to know the exact amount of the original direct signal, due to the methods used for gathering the impulse responses in the real world (... opposed to the idealized theoretical assumptions used by mathematical convolution models).

    What MIR Pro supplies is a sensible and useful approximation. As a rule of thumb, the original direct signal would have been even a few dB quieter.

    Kind regards,


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Is there any inconvenience,in using this setup?

    Or should I use the main mic in center and the secondary a little farther behind??
    Is there any "best" setup??

     

     

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    ahsan


  • Hi & welcome, Ahsan,

    I'm not sure that I really understand your question. What's the setup you're talking about?

    Kind regards,


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library