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  • Transposition Trick inside VI Pro

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    I am just curious how hard would it be, since offering Violins 2 is so scarce, I don't mind creating my own additional instruments, but how hard would it be to just include such a feature inside VI Pro that you just say "transpose up 1, or transpose down 1" and it's done for you in one easy click?  This way if I want 12 Dimension Violins, I can do it for 4 easily and instantly.  If I want a full 16 Violins 1, and say 12-14 Violins 2 all using Dimension strings.

    Or is this already possible and I don't know about it?  Can Cubse 7.5 automatically pitch bend for me perhaps and then I just do the semi tone tuning in VI Pro?  I just don't want to be fiddling with a pitch wheel on every track when I want this.

    Thanks!
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    VI Pro advanced mode has a semitone selector. 'Edit' tab.
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    I see it doesn't allow us to move it down a semitone.  It also seems to be a per patch concept, instead of a global setting.  It's definitely a step in the right direction but still a bit limiting.
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    So just so I make sure I understand this, if I move it down a semitone on VI Pro, then move it back to pitch inside of Cubase, am I actually still playing a different sample or does a semitone up in VI Pro, then a transpose of -1 to Cubase just return me back to the same patch and not help me at all from phasing issues?
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    Even Herb has recommended not doing this inside VIP. Instead, set it up with your sequencer.
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    @Peter Alexander said:

    Even Herb has recommended not doing this inside VIP. Instead, set it up with your sequencer.

    Why actually? Transposing up in VIP and back down in the sequencer sounds logical.
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    If you transpose up in VI don't you change samples? If that's the case, and you transpose the other way in your sequencer, you end up with the same sample as if you did nothing. Doing it the way Herb recommended, the sample isn't switched in VI, but its pitch is modified using pitchbend.
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    @johnstaf said:

    If you transpose up in VI don't you change samples? If that's the case, and you transpose the other way in your sequencer, you end up with the same sample as if you did nothing. Doing it the way Herb recommended, the sample isn't switched in VI, but its pitch is modified using pitchbend.



    Hm. I guess it will never really make sense to me. 😕

    If the transposition function inside VIP doesn't change samples, then I don't see any method for triggering different samples at all. Then all you could do is actually really playing/programming everything a halftone higher and pitching/transposing the track back down in the sequencer.
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    If you tell your sequencer to transpose down a tone, and you play a D, you're telling VI to play a C. Then you pitchbend the note up so you hear a D when you play a D. This is what gives you a second version of the sample. If OTOH you just transpose in VI, you play a D, but VI plays a C, but the sample triggered is a D, which is the same as if you hadn't done any transposition at all. The first way, you hear a C bent up to a D, as opposed to the normal D.
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    @johnstaf said:

    If you tell your sequencer to transpose down a tone, and you play a D, you're telling VI to play a C. Then you pitchbend the note up so you hear a D when you play a D. This is what gives you a second version of the sample. If OTOH you just transpose in VI, you play a D, but VI plays a C, but the sample triggered is a D, which is the same as if you hadn't done any transposition at all. The first way, you hear a C bent up to a D, as opposed to the normal D.

    Is there any way to do the same inside a notation software? Or having a single, different VI instance per staff (one for Violin I and one for Violin II) avoids having the same sample playing?

    Thank you

    VI Special Edition 1-3, Reaper, MuseScore 3, Notion 3 (collecting dust), vst flotsam and jetsam
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    @johnstaf said:

    If you tell your sequencer to transpose down a tone, and you play a D, you're telling VI to play a C.

    If OTOH you just transpose in VI, you play a D, but VI plays a C, but the sample triggered is a D

    Oh - I thought it was exactly the other way around.