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I'm happy that someone started this topic, cause I think most MIR users have no idea when to use which mic.
There is a question I was wondering when i worked with your Jazzdrums. Would it be possible to create overheads in MIR or is this something that is now impossible because it was not planned from the Start?
BR Lars
@LAJ said:
I'm happy that someone started this topic, cause I think most MIR users have no idea when to use which mic.
There is a question I was wondering when i worked with your Jazzdrums. Would it be possible to create overheads in MIR or is this something that is now impossible because it was not planned from the Start?
BR Lars
I would prefer to discuss this in a thread of its own, because it will take us completely off-topic - but what makes you think that there are no overheads in the Vienna Instrument Jazz Drumset ...? .... 😕
[img]http://s27.postimg.org/53afdxuwj/Vienna_Jazz_Drumset.png[/img]
Best,
Hi Dietz,
I know that there are Samples for the Jazzdrums. But I would like to use Overheads for your orchestral drums and for example 3rd Party Drums from another firm.
And maybe for orchestral instruments as well. Even when the use of Overheads is not the common Way for Orchestral drums and instruments. I am very experimental in mixing and I like BIGSOUND...
But your right ... This is another topic.
Thanks an greetings
Lars
@nektarios said:
I wish too I had the time! But will study as much as I can. How do I know what mic techniques were done for a recording?
Below is an example of a recording I like, done in 1993 outdoors. I wouldn't say it's the best, but my ears like it...
Hi Nektarios
Listening to this video I think that you will not find your sound with MIR (alone) - even if you are going to add more microphones.
This recording was very probably done by giving each musician a microphon, "panned and mixed it to an orchestra", added some reverb (algorithm) and played it over speakers into the arena.
We hear in the youtube-video a mix between this direct orchestra mix and the public sound. Such a sound you can't reach with MIR as long as Dietz doesn't offer IRs of a stadium.
There is an IR of a church I believe. It could eventually produce the sound you are looking for. But I think you will find your desired String-Sound (and Reverb) more with tools which are working without IRs. Sorry for asking this here in this forum:
Have you tried all the reverbs out there such as B2 (2C-Audio), Lexicon RC24/RC48 (NI), Breverb and...?
I'm sure you will find presets with them which will fit perfectly to your music stile.
I believe you are looking more for tools which are offering reverbs as an effect and less than a "true room sound" (your Video-Link).
The emulation of the hardware reverbs of the 80ties will produce probably your desired sound... ?
A combination with MIR could be: "Give" your strings the depth/distance with MIR but not the tail of the reverb (shorten the IR time), and add the rest (Tail) with one of the VST-algo-reverbs I mentioned above. MIR comes with an algo reverb but it sounds more airy than fat as you probably are looking for
All the best
Beat
By the way:
Finding the "right" reverb(s) is probably a lifelong task nowadays. I started with this Roland RV-800 (1980?) then Alesis Midi-Verb (Digital)... till now I spent a lot of money for always "better" reverbs. 😉... and I know the next better one is sure to come soon.
So far I'm very satisfied with the MIR sound, and the more I use it, the more things I learn to tweak the sound to what I envision. Also, what is so appealing about MIR to me is the fact that I can visually place my instruments inside this real orchestral venue and choose different microphones, and since I'm more of a visual person, I love the fact that I don't have to worry too much about mixing and panning etc. It's more intuitive.
As you know, I come from the Trance music genre -- where a good algo reverb is critical, so I have some idea about them. I have tried the B2 you mentioned, and really like it, and do see myself adding a few more to my collection. But again, for my orchestral work, any algo reverb would be used in conjunction with MIR.
Cheers,
-Nektarios
PS: I remember years ago I was contemplating buying a Lexicon PCM 91. Glad I never did... [:)]
If your want to see (and hear) a bunch of examples how _I_ thought that MIR Pro's virtual microphones could be set up, then please feel invited to download all the so-called "Venue Presets" I created for all available MIR Venues. Many of them are based on hand-tuned microphone arrays.
Hi Dietz
That link seems wrong since the new VSL website went live.
Can you please re-link....
