I suspect that you and me are using the term "overheads" for different things. 8-)
Best,
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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@nektarios said:
I wish too I had the time! But will study as much as I can. How do I know what mic techniques were done for a recording?
Below is an example of a recording I like, done in 1993 outdoors. I wouldn't say it's the best, but my ears like it...Hi Nektarios
Listening to this video I think that you will not find your sound with MIR (alone) - even if you are going to add more microphones.
This recording was very probably done by giving each musician a microphon, "panned and mixed it to an orchestra", added some reverb (algorithm) and played it over speakers into the arena.
We hear in the youtube-video a mix between this direct orchestra mix and the public sound. Such a sound you can't reach with MIR as long as Dietz doesn't offer IRs of a stadium.
There is an IR of a church I believe. It could eventually produce the sound you are looking for. But I think you will find your desired String-Sound (and Reverb) more with tools which are working without IRs. Sorry for asking this here in this forum:
Have you tried all the reverbs out there such as B2 (2C-Audio), Lexicon RC24/RC48 (NI), Breverb and...?
I'm sure you will find presets with them which will fit perfectly to your music stile.
I believe you are looking more for tools which are offering reverbs as an effect and less than a "true room sound" (your Video-Link).
The emulation of the hardware reverbs of the 80ties will produce probably your desired sound... ?
A combination with MIR could be: "Give" your strings the depth/distance with MIR but not the tail of the reverb (shorten the IR time), and add the rest (Tail) with one of the VST-algo-reverbs I mentioned above. MIR comes with an algo reverb but it sounds more airy than fat as you probably are looking for
All the best
Beat
By the way:
Finding the "right" reverb(s) is probably a lifelong task nowadays. I started with this Roland RV-800 (1980?) then Alesis Midi-Verb (Digital)... till now I spent a lot of money for always "better" reverbs. 😉... and I know the next better one is sure to come soon.
- Tips & Tricks while using Samples of VSL.. see at: https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/vitutorials/ - Tutorial "Mixing an Orchestra": https://www.beat-kaufmann.com/mixing-an-orchestra/ -
So far I'm very satisfied with the MIR sound, and the more I use it, the more things I learn to tweak the sound to what I envision. Also, what is so appealing about MIR to me is the fact that I can visually place my instruments inside this real orchestral venue and choose different microphones, and since I'm more of a visual person, I love the fact that I don't have to worry too much about mixing and panning etc. It's more intuitive.
As you know, I come from the Trance music genre -- where a good algo reverb is critical, so I have some idea about them. I have tried the B2 you mentioned, and really like it, and do see myself adding a few more to my collection. But again, for my orchestral work, any algo reverb would be used in conjunction with MIR.
Cheers,
-Nektarios
PS: I remember years ago I was contemplating buying a Lexicon PCM 91. Glad I never did... [:)]
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If your want to see (and hear) a bunch of examples how _I_ thought that MIR Pro's virtual microphones could be set up, then please feel invited to download all the so-called "Venue Presets" I created for all available MIR Venues. Many of them are based on hand-tuned microphone arrays.
Hi Dietz
That link seems wrong since the new VSL website went live.
Can you please re-link....
