Hi everyone,
first post here and I ask you something you've already heard a lot of times, I think...
As a owner of EWQLSO Gold Edition, I just want to go ahead and buy something of Vienna.
The budget is not so huge, so I'd like you to tell me which is the best "starter kit" to practice with Vienna Instruments and start composing something good with these magnificent sounds.
Considering I would like to start composing some string quartets, which are your suggestions?
Thanks a lot!!
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Vienna "starter kit"?
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Well, the normal suggestion would be to get the Special Edition (Volume 1 contains the solo strings). Note that there is a special offer that ends exactly today - you buy 2 volumes, you get one free. But as your budget is very tight, this might not be an option, as one volume is around 300$.
So your options could be either to buy Special Edition Volume 1 to get the whole Orchestra, or to buy Special Edition Sections Strings AND Strings Plus
As you specifically want to start writing string quartets, another option would be to buy Solo Strings Standard (from Instrument Collections) - you can upgrade to Full Library by buying extended at a later point.
Note, that if a special offer ends, more than often another offer comes in, evry fall of the last couple of years has seen a student/teacher discount of 30% on all products, so waiting a couple of days could pay off ...
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Which Version of EWQLSO do you have? Silver and Gold are recorded with reverb. All VSL Samples are dry, so you might find it difficult to find a reverb that matches the built in EW-room.
The Platinum Version offers dry samples, so here you can use the same reverb on both libraries, this will work fine.
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You can compare the patches of each product by clicking on "sample content" on the individual product page.
The patches of SE Vol. 1 - Strings are the same as SE Vol. 1 - except that you'll get ONLY Strings, hence the low price. Therefore, you can additionally afford to buy SE Vol. 1 - Strings PLUS, which will give you a lot more articulations.
If you compare the combined Solo String content of SE Vol. 1 - Strings and Strings Plus to the content of Solo Strings I Standard lib. you might think, that the latter does not give you much more benefit, in fact, there are even some patches in the SEs that are not in SS Std. (col legno), but there are some main advantages:
1. You need SS Std. to have the option to upgrade to Solo Strings Full, and the additional patches which are in the extended lib. are worth every penny. You cannot get them within the Special Edition path.
2. The Special edition uses 1 sample per whole tone while the Instrument Collections have 1 sample per semitone.
3. The Instrument Collections have more velocity layers
Beside that, of course with the SE Vol. 1 Strings you do get not only Solo Strings, but the same samples for the orchestral Strings as well. So you must decide if your afore mentioned string quartets are your main goal, or if you want to take a general dip into the vienesse world.
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@MassMover said:
Which Version of EWQLSO do you have? Silver and Gold are recorded with reverb. All VSL Samples are dry, so you might find it difficult to find a reverb that matches the built in EW-room.
The Platinum Version offers dry samples, so here you can use the same reverb on both libraries, this will work fine.
EWQLSO offers "close" mic samples, but some aren't dry like VSL samples. I just tested "close" EWQLSO flute ensemble, and it's night-and-day wet compared with VSL flute ensemble. That said, I am happy mixing EWQLSO and VSL, because for me, getting everything to sound like it's in the same room is rarely a priority.
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Just some additional thoughts here: The whole tone sampling of the SEs isn't that much of a deal. I'd argue that it's something you won't ever really notice - especially if you weren't accustomed to the full libraries in the first place. I'd say it's something that most people out there would never hear. I also think that having less velocity layers isn't that big of a deal in a lot of situations. Some full library patches have one velocity layer more. It's obviously nice to have and often makes things easier. But when you put it into perspective - one really has to ask themselves if the benefits of the full libraries justify the considerably higher price, in one's individual situation. They certainly do if you're a professional who needs access to the highest possible detail and a maximum of options, but IMHO not really if you're on a tight budget, a student or possibly a hobbyist. In a case like that, it's pretty natural to pass up on some high end features in favor of budget - after all, we do that with cars, furniture, vacations etc. all the time. 😊 Depending on the style of the music, the SE1 + SE1+ can get you very far. You can often get away with less velocity layers just fine, and the whole tone sampling, as mentioned, aren't really much of a deal. The main benefit of the full libraries IMO are the additional articulations, especially the high number of dynamic patches you don't have access to with the SEs. In any case, there is quite a learning curve with the VI player and the samples and it will take you some time to get the hang of the essential workings of the whole thing anyway. The SEs can keep you busy for a while, and you can always expand your libraries and add download instruments or full sections later on when your budget allows it and you notice you need additional stuff. Speaking of student: if you happen to be one - VSL traditionally has student discounts in September (or was it October?). Also, in case you didn't discover it yet: you could visit www.try-sound.com and book a test session for the SE bundle. It's a streaming service that allows you to test-drive different sample libraries for 20 minutes. It's streaming, so it has a hefty latency, but it's still a really useful service as it gives you the opportunity to take a look at the VI player and its functions and listen to the sound of the samples.@MassMover said:
2. The Special edition uses 1 sample per whole tone while the Instrument Collections have 1 sample per semitone.
3. The Instrument Collections have more velocity layers
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For string quartets, Solo Strings I would give you the best results, even if you can only afford the standard version. You can always buy the extended version later. Just listen to the demos if you have any doubts. You could get Vol 1 SE Strings and the + version as well, but you will probably find the number of articulations limiting.
You'll also want to get at least one version of MIRx at some point, regardless of which string collection you get. You can demo it for free once you purchase a VSL instrument.
Also, if you don't already have one, you'll have to factor in the price of an eLicenser too.
Michael
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And here I am again with another question :-) Considering to work with Strings only, for many reasons (quartets, because I've already got the EWQLSO Gold, etc) honestly I don't know which solution is better: SE Vol 1 Strings + Se Vol 2 Strings or SE Vol 1 Strings + SE Vol 1 Strings Plus... Is it better to have more instruments or more articulations? For my kind of music, that sounds very soundtrack-like, I think the first option is good, but having the fortepiano and the trills could be very helpful... Thanks as always!
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I think you now have come to a point where only you can make the right decision depending on your demands.
a warning:
The appassionata Strings in vol. 2 are marked as "bonus material". If you look at the sample content youl find that there are just 2 articulations: staccato and sustained. Therefore, vol. 2 Strings is cheaper - but still not cheap enough in my opinion, as you in fact only get the chamber strings.
So, if I was you, I would ask myself: Do I get along with my EWQLSO strings and just want the VSL solo strings, or do I also want to use the string sections (Orchestral Strings) from the VSL library?
If you only want solo strings, get the Instrument Collection Solo Strings I Standard - you later have the opportunity to upgrade to full lib - and the Solo Strings are considered as one of the best libs VSL have ever made
If you also want a string ensemble from VSL, get SE Vol.1 Strings and SE Vol.1 Strings Plus.
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As MassMover said, only you can decide which option is best...
FWIW, I have both the SE 1 and 1+ and the full solo strings (standard + extended). Long term, if you really do want to get into the intricate world of writing string quartets, I would strongly suggest getting the full solo strings library over SE, if you can afford it. The wealth of articulations in the full library will really with getting more realistic results.
Note that I also have used EWQLSO Gold in the past. Especially for string quartets, I strongly favor VSL. As a strings player (double-bass) I found the EWQL string sound to be lacking a true "classical" period sound ("classical" used in the narrow sense). I have found VSL to be much more suited for traditional orchestral writing.
Also, if your budget limits you to the SE version, once you have learned the basic VI player, strongly consider getting VI Pro. VI Pro allows you to create new articulations based on existing samples through the use of the "stretch" function, and that can enable you to create modified articulations that can help give greater variety to the SE samples. If you do get the full strings library, I would still strongly recommend VI Pro as it will be even more useful with the full library.
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I have all of the EWQL orchestral libraries, and they're very good for what they are, but I'm planning to go all VSL. I also think your best bet would be Solo Strings, as it's a top of the line VSL library. It's quite affordable if you start with the Standard library, and then you can extend it later on. The extended libraries give you loads of extra articulations, but the Standard collections are still fairly full-featured.
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- with that budget, I would get the solo strings, having already ensembles of strings.
