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  •  Hi vosk,

    just had a look at the video about your problem. I wonder if you already tried to change the audio buffer size or the MIR latency settings.

    To get a better idea of what's going on on your system, it would be interesting if you could try:

    - same audio buffer size, MIR latency set to 0
    - larger audio buffer size, MIR latency set to 0
    - larger audio buffer size and a larger MIR latency

    Thank you, Florian


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    I have not used MIR like this, I use it in VE PRO, so I cannot help you much

    my template :

    @Another User said:

    http://cyrilblanc.fr/VSL/orch.png

    @Another User said:


    Did you try to set your buffer size to 1024 in Cubase and your pre-load buffer size in directory manager to the minimum

  • Thank guys! I have tested all possible variants. Effectively only  increase latency of sound card.

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    But I can't set latency more than 256 :)


  • Hi, 

    Best, 

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Do you have the possibility in Cubase to "mute"/disable MIR ?

    Does it improve ?

    As you have a lot of free memory, you can increase Preload in Directory Manager ! [8-)]

    If you had the possibility to convert your project in Logic format I could test it on my configuration


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    @Another User said:

    If you had the possibility to convert your project in Logic format I could test it on my configuration

    Unfortunately Cubase projects not convert to Logic projects and return so far.

    (for Cyril about layering of different libraries:
    )

  • Hi vosk, 

    To be honest, Iยดm having a hard time to extract your questions from your postings.... Can you maybe re-phrase them in a more direct/simple way?

    Best, 

    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • lol. I do not understand too, is google translator blame :)

    Paul, why did you "Vienna MIR Pro x64.dll" (vst etc.)? For what?


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    Hi Vosk,

    that should be the plug-in version of MIR Pro: ->  http://dl.vsl.co.at/downloader.aspx?ID=14327

    Kind regards,


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Thank you, Dietz! And I thought you did this .dll for use MIR without VE PRO.


  • Yes, exactly. You can use MIR Pro as plug-in (in the formats VST, AU, RTAS and AAX) without VE Pro.


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @Dietz said:

    Yes, exactly. You can use MIR Pro as plug-in (in the formats VST, AU, RTAS and AAX) without VE Pro.

    No, I can not. As plug-in MIR overloads CPU using about 20 channels (positions on stage) only.

    Anyone use MIR as plug-in here? ๐Ÿ˜Š


  • On a well-built, but not spectacular machine from 2012 I can use up to 150 instances and more of MIR Pro (in stereo, 44.1kHz, depending on latency settings and other applications running at the same time).

    -> Intel Core i7-3930K, 32 GB RAM, Windows 7 Prof. 64bit, Nuendo 5.5.6 64bit, RME HDSP

    You're using either very low latencies, or something else is peculiar on your system.


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • W7 x64 Ultimate, i7-3770K (3.9 mhz), 32 GB RAM, Cubase 7.5.3 x64, RME AIO (6 ms latency)

    Clean C7 project, 24 (for MIR PRO 24 :)) audio-tracks (guitar groove), 24 channels (pos. on stage) in MIR (Standalone) = 60% loading CPU. (ups..)

    In this case I have only 40% CPU max for everything else.


  • The 3770k processor is 342 $ the 3930k is 594 $

    What are the differences !

    One is 4 core, 8 thread and 8 MB cache the other is 6 core, 12 threads and 12 MB cache, you cannot expect the same number of tracks

    Also Dietz and Paul are only using VSL instruments, they dont use CPU killing plug-ins like Play and company

    Dietz or Paul : I will very interested to have a benchmark of the same project using MIR as an AU and MIR in VE, do you have the overhead ?

    Wosk : I am going to be curious about the Layering film :

    Why dont you use only VSL libs ?

    Why are you layering all those libs ?

    Why dont you take the best of each lib ?


  • Cyril is right about that, especially Play as it has many issues. 

    oddly enough I have a similar setup in hardware, though with three slaves and a master.  I have brass, percussion, organ on one, all strings on a second and woodwinds, harp on a third. It is very easy to set up MIR separately on each slave, using the same settings.  Since they are all viewable in real time it is simple to adjust instrument positions/EQ/dry-wet, etc.  The power on these fairly modest i7 slaves each with 32 gb ram is unbelievably awesome!  Such that they are only around 10 % CPU on huge orchestral playbacks.  So  my suggestion is since you have multiple slaves to simplify the setup in a similar manner, having each with its own MIR. 


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    @William said:

    So  my suggestion is since you have multiple slaves to simplify the setup in a similar manner, having each with its own MIR. 

    Hello William

    If you have multiple slave with it's own MIR, do you get back in your DAW 2 x tracks or 2 x tracks per slave ?


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    @Another User said:

    Why dont you use only VSL libs ?

    Why are you layering all those libs ?

    Why dont you take the best of each lib ?

    In Vienna Instruments PRO is very interesting feature - Humanize. How are you think for what?


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    @Another User said:

    While this can only be played by Hollywood Strings

    Nonsense.

    Look, there are problems with all libraries, and VSL is no exception, but it sounds as if you don't really know how to use what you already have.

    DG


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    @William said:

    Cyril is right about that, especially Play as it has many issues. 

    oddly enough I have a similar setup in hardware, though with three slaves and a master.  I have brass, percussion, organ on one, all strings on a second and woodwinds, harp on a third. It is very easy to set up MIR separately on each slave, using the same settings.  Since they are all viewable in real time it is simple to adjust instrument positions/EQ/dry-wet, etc.  The power on these fairly modest i7 slaves each with 32 gb ram is unbelievably awesome!  Such that they are only around 10 % CPU on huge orchestral playbacks.  So  my suggestion is since you have multiple slaves to simplify the setup in a similar manner, having each with its own MIR. 

    I already understood  it only way in this situation. Unfortunately it has three negative components:

    1. If you change microphone settings or something else in one MIR, you'll need to change these settings and in 2nd MIR (slave A comp.) and in 3rd MIR (slave B comp.). First, you can not to change this parameters for all 3 MIRs exactly (equally) using only the mouse and your eyes, you will have to create preset, copy it to slaves computers and open this preset in MIR 2 and MIR 3. This is a triple work.. In addition, you can simply forget to change this parameters in another MIR. ๐Ÿ˜Š

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    2.On a Slave computer I have a graphical glitch if move any in MIR. This occurs because I connect with my slaves comp. via "Remote Desktop" program. If I want operate a slave computers directly, I must have 3 keyboards and 3 mouse. But it is not convenient. :) 

    - MIR graphic on master comp. : 

    MIR graphic on slave (Remote Control window) comp. :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu8Yh4uVCKo

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    3. MIR24 PRO + two roompack = about 750โ‚ฌ

    MIR24 PRO x3 + additional two roompack x3 = about 1600โ‚ฌ

    We have additional 850โ‚ฌ only for work with one MIR on 3 computer! You have free 850 euros? ๐Ÿ˜Š No problem. But I'll buy ice cream for my wife. :)

    It seems to do the work with MIR in standalone mode on another computer is much easier than to solve these problems.:)