Laudatio and a question

[Adorno]

Hi, I think concerning reverberation of the VSL MIRx is a great step forward towards a lot of VSL users who just want to achieve comparably quick good results for their compositions.

Thank you!

Great decision of VSL and very good work Dietz. Congratulations to that modular integration of the MIRacle idea! [Y]

I also downloaded the trial IRs for the Mozartsaal changed the venue and now everything realy sounds like a chamber orchestra...wow, that's really cool!

One thing I don't understand: Either the timpany IR Preset is too loud (I know, it's supposed to be the loudest instrument in the orchestra), because I have to pull down the timpany instrument channel for -8dB that everything sounds is it should or I have to adapt all the velocities of the other instruments, which is nonsense I guess. I write velocities because the VI Pro Master Volume cc7 is already set to 100 to all instruments channels...

[GoranTch]

If it's just the timpani sounding too loud, I would only decrease their volume and leave the rest alone - if the general balance is ok and timpani are the only thing sticking out, don't fix what ain't broken ;-)

[Dietz]

Hi Adorno,

thanks for the kind words, highly appreciated. :-)

The volume of MIRx' presets is not determined by the impulse responses, but by the the settings of the instrument itself. In case you're talking about MIR's "Natural Volume"-feature: These values should be seen just as a starting point for your own settings in any case. It's not so unusual that you have to adapt them to your own liking.

I will look into the Timpani settings nonetheless to make sure that everything works as expected. Which of the two Timpani available form VSL are you using?

Kind regards,

[Adorno]

Hi, Thank you for the quick answers. I used the matrix 11S Timpani from SE Vol.1. There is only one MIRx Preset: Timpani A.

Although my balances were already pretty good in shape, I find it pretty usefull to have the "use natural volume" checkbox for backing up the respective dynamics. Good feature too! [Y]

One last question. I still have the MIR Pro try licence and would like to crosscheck the MIRx settings with the MIRx Mode. Is there a comparably fast way to adapt the arrangements to the MIR Pro plugin? If this needs a long answer, just give me a link to read.

Thank you. Kind regards,

[Adorno]

Ok. Due to Dietz question what timpani I was using, I realized the patch on key D1 is a combined one consisting of single hits in the upper keys and the roles on the lower keys which I chose because of easier notation of this specific Instrument.

If I change to patch "single hits" on Key C1 the result is much more I was expecting.

Hope you read this before trying to figure out what I meant. [:^)]

Kind regards,

update2: well I guess the single hits on Key A are just the same samples as the combination patch on key D1. I put the timpanis an octave higher and was impressed of the transparency which made me post the strikedthrough lines above [:$]

kind regards,

[Paul]

Hello Adorno, 

@Adorno said:

One last question. I still have the MIR Pro try licence and would like to crosscheck the MIRx settings with the MIRx Mode. Is there a comparably fast way to adapt the arrangements to the MIR Pro plugin? If this needs a long answer, just give me a link to read.

If I understand correctly, you want to use the MIRX mode built in to VI/VI PRO, is that correct?

You can do that by getting MIRx demo licenses for the available MIRx Venues (click "try" on the respective product pages).

Then exclude MIR PRO from your VI/VI PRO instance channels and activate the internal MIRx Reverb, with the settings you like.

This has to be done for every channel separately ( and it will sound exactly the same as you hear it in MIR PRO, in case you want to save some time [;)]).

Best,

Paul 

[Adorno]

Hello Paul,

thank you for you answer. Yeah - of course - I'm curous and want to see the results of your roomshaping flagship MIR-PRO. [8-|]

prerequisites:

MIR Pro try licences is installed and activated, venue pack of KONZERTHAUS is installed.

MIRx venues Konzerthaus is installed and activated.

I have VI Pro 2 with already MIRx activated and VERY WELL running.

So this is what I did to mess everything up:

1. I made a backup-copy of my cubase arrangement and started this backup.

2. I disabled in the Reverb page in VI Pro2 selcting "None"

3. I inserted for all instruments the Vienna MIR Pro Plugin which is pretty fast using Cubase 7

4. Then I selected the MIR Pro Icon and assigned the desired Instrument Profile

At first I heard only very silent sound.Not exactly the same as with MIRx I thought. [:|]

I tried to find the problem and after a while I selected "force output channel 2" in the MIR Pro pref window and then it worked.

My Observations:

• - The MIR Pro Pref window in the "MIRx in MIRPro manual v.1.0" p. 9 looks different
• - the bassoon is located on the right side. Same with MIRx.
  
• - the triple horn is located on the left side. Also with MIRx
• - the double basses chamber are located in the center, if I want to put it "general purpose solo right mid" the symbol as well as the sound maintain in the middle as if the Double Basses were playing solo.

Until this point I conclude that the integration of MIRx to MIR-Pro has not been achieved yet, to really make a one to one comparison.

MIRx sounds great that's for sure.

Maybe later I write a little more...

kind regards,

[Dietz]

@Adorno said:

[...]

My Observations:

• - The MIR Pro Pref window in the "MIRx in MIRPro manual v.1.0" p. 9 looks different
• - the bassoon is located on the right side. Same with MIRx.
  
• - the triple horn is located on the left side. Also with MIRx
• - the double basses chamber are located in the center, if I want to put it "general purpose solo right mid" the symbol as well as the sound maintain in the middle as if the Double Basses were playing solo.

[...]

Thanks for posting your initial experiences, Adorno.

I have to admit that I don't really get the point of the quoted part of your message. Is it just a statement, or a question ...?

Kind regards,

[Adorno]

Hi Dietz,

Sorry for the confusion. I give you a short version and afterwards, in the long version, why am I doing this comparison.

Short version:

The comparison of MIR-Pro/MIRx Mode and MIRx is not possible, because the "general purpose" profiles of the MIR-PRO/MIRx Mode  always position in front center.

Long version ( Why am I doing this?):

I. Point of origin was the - in my opinion - too loud timpani sound in MIRx, which IMHO still is.

II. Then,  I wanted to see how the MIRx integration works in MIR-Pro to

1. make a comparison between MIRx and the MIRx Mode of MIR-Pro which should sound identically,
2. see how the sound changes or even improves when I change f.ex. the 2. Violins from MIRx position (right) to another position ( f.ex. left but differently situated than the 1. Violins) or the Double Basses to the right which as default are set to center and
3. come to the conclusion, taking a and b in consideration,  to pay a lot more buying MIR-Pro for more flexibility.

[Paul]

Hello Adorno,

You are right, of course, MIR PRO indeed provides much more flexibility (and also more venues to work with).

MIRx is designed to be an out-of-the-box easy to use interface (with the limitations that come with it).

However, when you get MIR PRO, you´ll also have access to the exact same MIRx settings for your instruments within MIR PRO.

Best,

Paul