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  • MirPro-->Mirx mode - Natural Volume auto-resetting to OFF

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    I've just noticed something very strange.  I have set up MirPro using Mirx mode.  I have enabeled natural volume on all Mir instances.  I was just randomly checking something (selecting Vienna Mir Pro tab at bottom of instance), and noticed that Appassionatta Vlns (I), cellos and basses had all had their natural volume tabs de-selected for no apparent reason.  So, instead of VOL = -5, it was set to 0 (Nat. vol off).   

    I have MirPro inserted on the channels that contain the VIs.  This is on Win7 PC, and nothing has been touched in the instances when this occurs.  MIRx is in 'bypass' on the reverb page of the VI.   I am using VIPro 2.4.12844, VEP5 - 5.3.13045.  

    Has anybody else seen this?  

    - Greg
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    I know this can be a little bit confusing. ;-P

    Just to make sure we're talking about the same: The so-called "MIRx-Mode" for MIR Pro is _not_ the same as the actual MIRx.

    MIRx is a separate product, extending the possibilities of Vienna Instruments Pro 2. You will control it solely by means of the VI Pro2 GUI. You don't need MIR Pro to run MIRx. Due to that, you can't change the settings you get with the extension.

    "MIRx-Mode" on the other hand is an additional function layer which brings MIRx' Presets and its functionality to MIR Pro. Consequently it is controlled by MIR Pro, not by VI Pro 2. Even if you started with MIRx Settings, you can change each and every aspect of them according to your needs.

    Natural Volume is a feature which has been available in MIR Pro since quite some time now. It doesn't depend on MIRx Mode or its settings. As Natural Volume is about - eerrrr - volume ;-D , you will see its values reflected by MIR Pro's volume sliders as soon as the light-blue "Natural Volume" button is engaged for a MIR Icon on (individually or automatically due to the chosen Preferences). VI Pro2's volume is not part of the equation in MIRx Mode.

    HTH,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • W
    W

    Thanks for the explanation, Dietz.  I understand what you are saying.  But the issue I experienced is that once I engaged the Natural Volume button while in MirX mode (ie MirPro)  (which then lowered, for example, APP Vln by 5db), ..... when I revisited this a few minutes later -- I found the Natural Volume button to, for some reason, have become UN-engaged, and the volume back to 0.   This has nothing to do with my understanding or not understanding the differences between MirX, Mir-X mode, or MirPro..... :)  I did not turn natural volume off, it just switched itself off....  I experienced this with App Cellos and also App CBs.  I did not see this happen with any other strings (Chamber or Dimension... just APP).

    BTW, maybe you could explain this:  My understanding is that you ported over to MirPro the great MirX presets that you made.  So, when I engage MirX mode in MirPro, and switch from the MirX versions of, say Dimension violins 1-6, shouldn't they sound exactly the same in MirPro?  It seems to me that they should be... however I have found that they don't.  When you switch to MirX-mode, does it take the settings that we have made in MirX in VIPro, and translate them to MirX-mode.... or does it load up your original preset (before we have tweaked the wet/dry setting, for example in Mir-x)?  I have tried translating the strings I had and really liked with MirX, and found that the wet-dry balances don't match - the MirX-mode settings seem skewed more toward dry.... (i.e. the left side).

    Best,

    Greg 
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
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    @wgturner said:

    [...]

    When you switch to MirX-mode, does it take the settings that we have made in MirX in VIPro, and translate them to MirX-mode.... or does it load up your original preset [...]

    MIRx and MIRx-Mode are completely independent from each other. MIRx Mode simply gives you fast and easy access to the original settings I used to create and export the data for MIRx. Nothing gets translated in either way. When using MIR Pro, just "forget" about MIRx inside VI Pro 2. MIR Pro will take care for all of MIRx' aspects, and then some. 😊 ... there's even a MIR Pro Preference which will take care for that automatically.

    The same is true for Natural Volume (which has nothing to do with MIRx Mode, as mentioned before!):  As soon as you work with MIR Pro, I strongly suggest to leave the volume of the individual software players untouched. - The blue "Natural Volume" button is lit when this pre-defined value is reached. Once set, nothing else can change this, apart from - conscious or unconscious - user action (... this could also be some MIDI-controller or the like!). You can't "switch off" Natural Volume, you only can change the dB-value, which will conseqently turn the "Natural Volume"-button dark again.

    Maybe you double-clicked the Instrument Channel's volume fader by incident?

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • W
    W

    Thanks for the additional info, Dietz!  Dunno about the volume changing -- I'll just chalk it up as a mystery right now.... :)

    BTW, since you're here, I do have a few questions that I cannot find any info on in the manual.  1) what is the benefit (or ramifications) of changing the Impulse Response Cache Size?  and 2) what are the differences between the Dry/Wet slider in the top section of a MirPro icon setting, -vs- the dry/wet offset at the bottom?  Do they interact?  If so, how?  

    Thanks for any more light you can shine on this awesome software!

    Best,

    Greg
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD

    Re - IR Cache Size:  MIR Pro is able to keep IRs in RAM once they have been loaded, even when they aren't used by an active Icon at the moment. This will speed up pre-rendering time when the IR gets used again. The amount of IRs "kept alive" is determined by the Cache Size.

    Re - Dry Wet: I had high hopes that these two features would be more or less self-explanatory ... ;-) ... the "upper" Dry/Wet ratio determines the individual mixture of those two signal components for an individual Icon/Inbstrument. The "lower" one in the Output Channel is a global Offset for the already set ratios of all Icons instantiated on a MIR Venue's stage. This offset  serves the sole purpose to make quick adjustements to the overall "wetness" of a complete setup. - Keep in mind that natural restrictions will apply to the latter, as there is no way to make a signal wetter than 100% wet ;-) ... so it's advisable to use this feature for fine-tuning only.

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    W

    Thanks Dietz for the additional info - very helpful!  

    Best,

    Greg