Hi again,

I have recreated the template in ve pro ( minus the reverb and eq settings ) and it really sounds great , so thank you very much for sharing . I have a question about how best to achieve divisi writing with it . Is there a way of enabling say 6 tracks violins a and b , violas and cellos and having logic automatically split out the midi chanels so that you can play a chord and hear it in divisi ie so it only sends one note of the chord to each instrument . Basically the same way Lass does it in autoarrange . I have managed to set this up with other libraries using Kontakt with a script but the only way I can see this working with Vsl Dimension is to load all the sections in one instance and use auto voice . I did come accross something called smart scoring http://dawcontrol.com/product/smartscoring/  but I could never get it to work .

I presume you are just playing in each part seperately which sounds great but is potentially a lot more work .

@Saxer said:

....but in the end auto-divisi in lass was not flexible enough for me as you always have the same dynamic curves for all divisi-parts.

That was always my objection to polyphonic legato. It never made musical sense to me. However, with Note Expression in Cubase that could be a thing of the past.

DG

Or buy yourself a ROlli keyboard and have each finger send seperate midi info , ie midi channel and cc and aftertouch . I have ordered mine but delivery is not expected for a while. In the meantime I am hoping someone can develop a midi fx script for logic .re note expression : obviously useful but unless I have not got it , it seems it is just a post recording editing feature rather than a live input one. ie the point of auto divisi is to be able to avoid editing your parts and hear the beauty of the seperate sections in real time  on the fly which is more inspirational and quicker. 

Seperate tracks is a great way of working for the most realistic demos but I am also wanting a shortcut version for sketching and composing that allows you to hear a full section when writing say a string pad that isnt everyone playing the same notes. Lass is close but I prefer the DImension strings sound.

I'll be interested to hear how you get on with that keyboard. For me the main problem would be having to learn to play with a different technique, having spent over 40 years playing with traditional Piano technique. The other problem would be that the independence of fingers, and touch would have to be very accurate, and I suspect at the time taken to get it right could be halved by just playing each line separately.

DG

To do all of this precise MIDI control in real time is actually more difficult than doing it afterwards by simple editing.  I used to try to control modulation while playing, but it is easier to put it in afterwards.  Even velocity is unnecessary since it is difficult to play perfectly every single note at the right dynamic with samples, regardless of your piano skills, so you will be editing anyway.  Some people brag about their pianistic technique ( not DG, but others)  which I find nonsensical.  Who cares about pianistic technique when you are playing a flute sample?  It is meaningless.

It doesnt really have much to do with keyboard ability . It just sounds so much better playing a chord that is split into sections and when you have 5 cues to deliver a day you dont always have time to fiddle with editing . Its as simple as being able to press a bit harder with your left hand for example to emphasize or bring out a cello harmony within a chord or hold a chord with your left hand and play a 1st violin melody with your right but be able to have control over its volume and expression seperately as you play . Having said that my favoutite way of inputting strings is by ewi controller anyway which is monophonic but means you are inputting 2 ccs at once without having to use a mod wheel and without having to then edit the cc info because you get so much more of the expression and feel you want performing the part. The trouble with being lucky enough to use live strings is that the samples never come close so I should just accept that and stop wasting  time trying to  find the holy grail and  get sampled strings to sound real . I actually think developpers should stop releasing string libraries now . We have enough of the dam things already . Its like a tax on the composer $1000 a year each time a new one comes out ( and thats just strings, and like busses they all come at once ) and more importantly if they do get any closer then how are the musicians going to survive . With TV and film budgets reducing all the time, eventually we are not going to put any of the  money into the score by hiring real players so there will be no work for them . So keep making your demos and strings in particular sound fake so producers realize its worth giving the composer more money to spend on musicians. Sorry for digressing.

That is funny.  I don't mean to criticize your way of working, I am just used to writing and "writing" instead of  playing MIDI is a natural extension of it. 

It is not true that live players are always better though.  VSL samples are now better sounding when used properly than live ensembles until you get to a great orchestra's level - such as a major symphony orchestra or a top level studio orchestra.  As I have said many times here and nobody believes, the norm in orchestral playing is NOT what you are used to hearing on film soundtracks and CDs and TV.  People (I don't mean you, just a lot of people)  have gotten used to an abnormally high level of virtuosic playing as a result of the mass distribution of music, and they assume that is what happens normally when musicians get together to form an orchestra.  It doesn't.  The norm is all the other orchestras - vastly more in number - that play slightly out of tune, insert wrong notes here and there, execute hasty or poorly phrased expressions, etc.  And I am NOT talkng about extremely low level student orchestras, I am talking about orchestras you would have a hard time getting to play your music that represent sizeable communities.    Those middle tier orchestras comprise most of all orchestral playing. Composers - before VSL -  had to use them and have their music represented poorly.  But with VSL, it is now possible to do something beautiful in performance quality just as soon as it is composed!

I also find it difficult not to digress...

@Another User said:

(...) and  As I have said many times here and nobody believes, the norm in orchestral playing is NOT what you are used to hearing on film soundtracks and CDs and TV.  People (I don't mean you, just a lot of people)  have gotten used to an abnormally high level of virtuosic playing as a result of the mass distribution of music, and they assume that is what happens normally when musicians get together to form an orchestra.  It doesn't.

Yes, it doesn't. Every regular concertgoer knows this. I live in a city with (at least) 5 symphony orchestras, ranging from first to, let's say, lower upper class at worst. And nevertheless, this still holds true.

Oh great,

Looks like I missed the window for saxer's patch template. [:@] Anyone willing to PM it to me (preferrably with basses)? [:'(] 

Thx!

I also missed the template would someone be willing to email it to me as well?

i would realy appreciate it ;)

Hello there!

I'm terrible with all of this, but I missed the first and second window for the download for the template.  I didn't realize I would need it, but I'm working on a larger project and would love to be able to have access to such a great template.  I hope you can help!!

Best,

Jeff Strong

Thank you!  I've sent an email to you.

Hi Saxer, 

I've listened to your pieces on several systems for the past two weeks and I'm nothing less than seriously impressed (about the way how you handle the virtual orchestration part and also the "real" orchestration per se).

Is there still a chance that you could send me the template? Unfortunately I missed the download windows. 

Great work and definitely the best reason why to buy DS! 

Best, 

Hans-Peter

Love the sound

Can you please share your Eq settings for the violins.

Thank you.

 Also, possible to get the template ?