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  • PaulP
    VSL Team
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    Welcome Tim B,

    I´m sorry to hear that you´re not happy with the Solo Strings contained in the Special Edition, of course that´s also a matter of taste.

    I couldn´t find a registration for VI PRO under your account.... do you have another account? In any case, you can check out the possibilities of VI PRO with a free demo license, available on the product page (click "try").

    You will get a lot out of manipulating the samples, as shown in our video tutorials.

    All instruments in the Special Editions contain samples with vibrato exclusively, there is no way to get rid of the vibrato. But it´s not a bug, just as the recorded attacks are intended to sound this way. It´s always easier to shorten an attack (with tools like VI PRO) than to add something that was never recorded.

    Best,

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    Dear Paul, thanks for your kind answer and info. I listened to the demos before my decision to buy - which sound amazing - and did not take into account that direct ensemble attack for melody legato playing would not be possible. I also took a look at the contens which reads for SE PLUS "Standard Instruments: [...]Solo Strings, Orchestral Strings."on my sleeve before buying. At first glance it seemed obvious to have the opportunity of programming common String Melody Lines, so my thoughts. So: Isnt there any natural basic ensemble sound in this high quality "basic"pack investment. It was my fault to not inform myself more critical about the already specialized samples in the special edition plus-Set (Auto crescendo, slow attacks in the ensembles, pre programmed vibrato in solo strings), at least what I figured out so far. But where would I find that info, which in my oppinion and with my experience I made so far would be very important? In my VI Player (which is included in my SE PLUS Set) I only get the results that I described. If I am missing something, please let me know. My point is: Wouldn´t it be a obvious idea to have basic sounds in a basic set? Basic solo, Basic ensemble Strings (direct attack, sustained, non crescendo) as heard it in a natural ensemble if you would compose this without any comments in the score. This would be the classical approach, as far as I use scoring. I would not see it as a matter of taste consequently, more as a reaction of an ensemble playing uncommented score. These basic settings in the next step certainly have to be automated individually (cresc etc), reverbed and additionally updated in terms of specialized playing styles - in further extensions by the individual special needs of your clients. What would you suggest regarding my search for basic scoring with VSL? Best regards Tim
  • PaulP
    VSL Team
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    Hi Tim,

    You actually get all these basic sounds from all instruments, these are the same basics you get with the bigger VI Collections (the same sustains, the same legatos, the same staccatos... there is just more choice in the bigger collections).

    There is also no "programmed" vibrato, all the samples you trigger have been recorded like this.

    I agree that there is a slower attack than in heavily edited and "synthesized" sounds, but we see that very much as a feature.

    Did you check out our Video Tutorials for the Special Edition? Where do these sounds disappoint you?

    Maybe you are really looking for a different product with a different philosophy on orchestral sound - which ones have you used so far?

    I have to say that the Special Edition demos from our users also sound very good to me....

    Best,

    Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    For improving the attack it really helps to add a articulation like stacc or detache in a paralell cell...

    I still don't get sounds as convincing like the masters here, but it is getting better ...
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    Dear Paul, Dear Gabriel81 thanks for your patience with my VSL testing. The strings in "Decision Day" is what I am searching for in terms of attack. But it is a detache setting that cant be sustained. The suggested working from gabriel81 with VSL would be to mix two articulations together as far as I understand it. I guess, my questioning here is about handling the articulation offers in the Lib for my intended sound. I recently searched to have attack and sustain in one setting. Heres an example with a Logic Pro´s built-in String sound, whose articulation reacts the way I would use for my piece, to give you an idea. That kind of attack and sustain behaviour in a VSL Instrument would be a good default for my project. http://www.sendspace.com/file/rx33n9 The VSL Ensemble Strings that I found so far build up slowly on the sustained notes and break down when receiving the new MIDI Note. My solution on that at the moment is to program additional contrary Fader-Automation in Logic for achieving the same aural levels in the sustain phase, which is a lot of additional work. The fast attack is still lacking then. The parallel track with my tests of mixed in additional detache articulation sounds not satisfying to me as the detache part eventually stops. It sounds more in the direction of two Violin Groups playing the same note with different articulations. What settings would you suggest here with gabriel81´s suggested work flow? I attached the MIDI as well, if you like please add some suggestions to leave an impression in terms of SE PLUS - Settings. Thanks for that!! I already spent a lot of time for this purpose and would be glad, if you help me out VSL wise saving some time in finding a solution for my "Melody Pad". Building up on this an Example of my ideal from the real world would be in the following: The "Lord of the Ring"-Symphony has got this String passage, which shows even Velocities on the long notes with fast enough attack to hear seperated 16th notes. What would be the difficulties to design that for a library preset. http://www.sendspace.com/file/9lt89z Thanks very much for your insights Best regards Tim
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    Hi TIm!

    Just put it into a paralell cell and it will work, with CellXfade you should be able to handle it ..

    Send me a PN if you need german spoken support from other novice who had a similar issue ;) I can provide screenshots how to easily achieve this.

    Gabriel
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    I am a little confused that nobody mentioned the legato patches, as Tim in his original post mentioned his wish for „flowing melodies“ ? Take the legato patch and you are fine.

    If you really want to have a more detaché-like sound, put a staccato or detaché patch in the 2nd cell and adjust it's volume. Btw, in the SE matrices that come with the product, there is e pre-programmed articulation of this kind just in the 1st Field.

    MM
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    That's what I wanted to say

    It is mainly about cells and cell Xfade
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    Hey Guys, I´ll try that work flow Thx very much Best Tim
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    Dear Community,

    I found this video with a perfect string sound. As a Newbie: Are these parallel cells (det, sus) as well?

    http://www.vsl.co.at/videoplayer_flv.asp?ID=210

    Best regards

    Tim
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     Most of the time only single cells are used in this movie,  however at 1:11 there is a patch with a second cell loaded. In the Old VI Player you could see this on Top left corner. In case of 2:01 there is a Staccato with a Tremolo Patch Combined

    Hope this helps

    Gabriel

    P.S:: You got a mail