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  • Using MIR on a second computer

    I have MIR and VEEns 5 as well as several room packs for MIR.  I need to use MIR on a second machine with VEEns and the room packs I have bought.  I have the secondary and tertiary license for VEEns as it is included.  However, do I really need to purchase another full copy of MIR and each of the room packs so that I can offload work from one machine and make use of the LAN capabilities of VEEns?

    I called Ilio and their answer was to either buy MIR24 or ask Vienna what side license pricing would be.  It seems with the design of VEEns and MIR's integration with it, using it in this capacity, and thus the necessary licensing, would be a no brainer.

    Please let me know.

    Regards,

    Steve Trytten


    Large Vienna Library all on SSD, Protools/Carbon on M1 MacBook Pro, OSX Monterey 12.7, Steinway D, Rhodes Mk8-FX, Osmose, Moog One, Trigon 6-DT, OB-X8, Prophet 10 rev4, OB-6-DT, Kawai VPC-1
  •  Yes, you need to buy another licence if you want to use MIR Pro on two computers simultaneously. It is up to you which version you purchase. It will depend on how many instruments you want to run.

    DG


  • Would someone from Vienna please comment in on this please?

    Thanks,

    Steve


    Large Vienna Library all on SSD, Protools/Carbon on M1 MacBook Pro, OSX Monterey 12.7, Steinway D, Rhodes Mk8-FX, Osmose, Moog One, Trigon 6-DT, OB-X8, Prophet 10 rev4, OB-6-DT, Kawai VPC-1
  • DG is right !

    [:'(]


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    @strytten said:

    Would someone from Vienna please comment in on this please?

    Thanks,

    Steve

    This would be me, wouldn't it? 😊

    MIR was created as a single final mixing stage, with the goal of simplifying things in mind. (Personally I still think that it somewhat counter-productive to split a concept into several parts that was meant to be used as one - but that's a different topic.) That's why MIR and MIR Pro were (an still are) single license applications from the very beginning.

    Seeing that some VE Pro / MIR Pro users still want to use MIR in a multi-machine setup, VSL came up with MIR Pro 24, which is a cheap way to expand MIR Pro to more than one computer.

    Another option is to write a mail to  for a side-license to full-blown MIR Pro.

    HTH,


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Hi Dietz

    Today the PC/Mac availlable are a bit short of power to drive a full orchestra with Mir 5.1 or 7.1.

    A few month ago we have received a mail about VI 2.2 given to beta test 

    In this mail it was said that there was a lot of improvement !

    When is this version will be availlable

    May be this guy will not need to split his orchestra !

    Best

    Cyril


  • A better thing to do is to run a sequencer/DAW on one computer, and the whole orchestra on another.  Then there is no need to split the orchestra in MIR into multiple computers because one computer can run a large orchestra as a standalone MIR.  The last mixes I did were large orchestra and the computer I am using is not even that big - an i920 with 24 GB of RAM.  And it can do a large orchestration with no  problem.  I do use it as a slave though.  But what Dietz  is saying is (of course) the whole basic concept of MIR -  to create the entire environment of sound, not just feed into something else. 


  • Hi William

    Did you use MIR in stereo ?, 5.1 ? 7.1 ????

    Best

    Cyril


  •  In stereo


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    @Cyril said:

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    A few month ago we have received a mail about VI 2.2 given to beta test

    In this mail it was said that there was a lot of improvement !

    When is this version will be availlable

    [...]

    It's available right now: -> http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/32084.aspx

    Kind regards,


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @Cyril said:

    Hi William

    Did you use MIR in stereo ?, 5.1 ? 7.1 ????

    Best

    Cyril

     

     There is really no practical use for 7.1, it only exists for technology sake (although I believe 9.1 also exists !),  but if you must work with 5.1, then do all your tracking and recording in stereo, then switch MIR to 5.1 for mixing, and then set the buffers very high, as latency is not really an issue when mixing.


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    @William said:

     In stereo

    This is why !

    5.1 and 7.1 are very very very much greedy

    Also you get pops and clicks only using 60 % of my 12 core if you use Event input


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    @Cyril said:

    Hi William

    Did you use MIR in stereo ?, 5.1 ? 7.1 ????

    Best

    Cyril

     

     There is really no practical use for 7.1, it only exists for technology sake (although I believe 9.1 also exists !),  but if you must work with 5.1, then do all your tracking and recording in stereo, then switch MIR to 5.1 for mixing, and then set the buffers very high, as latency is not really an issue when mixing.

    Thanks for the trick, 

    You set buffer very high on the DAW ? my buffer setting are set to 1024 in Logic 


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    @Cyril said:

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    A few month ago we have received a mail about VI 2.2 given to beta test

    In this mail it was said that there was a lot of improvement !

    When is this version will be availlable

    [...]

    It's available right now: -> http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/t/32084.aspx

    Kind regards,

    GREAT 

    I will give it a trial and report.

    Many thanks

    Best

    Cyril


  • +1000

    I too was disappointed at only 1 MIR24 license for VE5 while you have 3 for the VE5 as well as Vienna Suite.  It's not really multiple setups running separately, its 1 guy doing 1 project on a networked system (that is the whole 'concept' we were  sold).  Bit the bullet and upgraded to VEP5 now to find that Networking 3 computers with MIRpro24 will be an additional $1100.   Not cool.  'Round here, we call that 'Bait and Switch'.  Please re-think your pricing/licensing options for your 'Networking Solution'.  Multiple licensing or reasonable side-licenses. Thanks!


  • Hi Blogospherianman,

    Thanks for sharing your point of view - I will share mine, too. :-)

    I tried to explain the concept Vienna MIR and its successor MIR Pro as _one_ unified mixing stage in my previous post in this thread.

    Like pointed out before, MIR Pro 24 is meant to be a cheap entrance into the world of object-oriented mixing as well as a cost-effective side license to MIR Pro.

    Up to now there are no comparable solutions available on the market. Other professional software reverbs (with much simpler underlying concepts and engines) will cost you the same or even more. You would still pay at least five times the price for good surround-capable hardware reverbs - without the degree of integration and built-in intelligence you can find in MIR (I gave an overview in this message some months ago: -> http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/p/30396/194615.aspx#194615).

    .... that said, rest assured that VSL has an open ear for complaints like yours.

    Kind regards,


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • + 2000

    I will say it again ; why does MIR has to return to LOGIC or other DAW, if MIR is the FINAL STAGE, you just need to add bouncing to MIR.

    This will avoind to put pressure on Logic or other DAW.

    PLEASE add this feature so we gt rid of this bottle neck

    The other solution is to change MIR licensing and to allow 3 serial no per user

    Thanks a again Dietz and all the VSL programmers that wrote MIR.

    Best

    Cyril


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    @Another User said:

    This will avoind to put pressure on Logic or other DAW.

    I don't see any pressure put on my DAWs by MIR Pro. Could it be that you're experiencing a problem with Logic?


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • I hope my comments on this are positive, and not a "rant." Vienna products are fabulous, and I own almost all of them and use them every day.

    Vienna - you got it right when you allowed three licenses on VE Pro. Most of us need to spread instruments around more than one computer either due to workflow logistics, or hardware limitations.

    However, it doesn't seem right not to allow three licenses on MIR; or at least to charge only a nominal amount for them.

    I understand your point that there is nothing comparable to MIR on the market. That's why I made a substantial investment to buy it. But the fact that there is nothing comparable doesn't explain Vienna's policy towards licensing. There's nothing comparable to VE Pro either, and it came with three licenses.

    I also understand your point that MIR Pro was designed as a unified mixing stage, and perhaps it was not contemplated that users might want to have different MIR rooms on different instruments in the same mix; and perhaps it was not contemplated that users need to distribute instruments across multiple computers - but they do.

    The Hammond organ was designed for living rooms. The Fender Rhodes electric piano was designed as a device to rehabilitate injured soldiers. But users figured out other uses and they became very popular musical instruments. You should hear what MIR does for certain jazz and pop tracks. Who knows what other uses people will discover.

    I read the web site carefully before buying MIR. Both my computer tech and I were left with the impression that we would have three licenses to VE Pro that would include access to MIR.

    Vienna - would you consider offering these additional licenses at a nominal cost - perhaps $100 per additional license? (Would need to include the roompaks by the way.) That seems more fair. What do you think?

    Thanks in advance for listening,

    Steve


    Large Vienna Library all on SSD, Protools/Carbon on M1 MacBook Pro, OSX Monterey 12.7, Steinway D, Rhodes Mk8-FX, Osmose, Moog One, Trigon 6-DT, OB-X8, Prophet 10 rev4, OB-6-DT, Kawai VPC-1
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    Hi Steve,

    I'm not trying to argue, but please allow for a few comments.

    MIR Pro's product sub-site

    [....] $100 per additional license? (Would need to include the roompaks by the way.) That seems more fair.

    For any RoomPack you own there's a 70% (!) reduction for each additional license already - which means that you would have to pay 74 Euro for RoomPack 2, for example. Fair enough? 😉

    -> http://www.vsl.co.at/en/211/497/1687/364/2062/1747.htm

    Kind regards,


    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library