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    W
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    I am wondering if there is any reason, other than instrument specific EQ or effects, NOT to use an ensemble that is a group of individual instruments already panned individually within Vienna Ensemble to MIR.  In other words, starting with an ensemble in Vienna Ensemble that is composed of several instruments panned (with some exaggeration so that when shrunken down in MIR the pan will still be audible) and then routing all the signal together into a single placement in MIR that is somewhat larger in size than an individual instrument.  I have been using only single instruments up till now, but was thinking of doing this ensemble approach to simplify setups, assuming it is not wrong from an audio/technical standpoint. I know that the larger instrument must be appropriate sounding for all of the inidividual ones within it.  Such as using a cardioid mike for brass, or using the ensemble instrument type in MIR or whatever.  Is this in fact why the "Woodwind Ensemble" and other ensemble MIR setups were created?

    Also, I am having this situation repeatedly - there is no general percussion setup in MIR.  But I often use the large orchestral percussion ensemble in Vienna Ensemble.  So the question arises - what MIR setting should be used for this single instrument group?  I believe I have noticed that there are problems with just arbitrarily selecting any percussion setting.  The snare drum seems to be adversely affected by some of the percussion settings such as cymbals.  So I have defaulted to using an omnidirectional setting for the percussion ensemble.  Are there any specific directions for this situation other than simply breaking apart the percussion parts into different single instruments? 
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
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    William, all dedicated Instrument Profiles of MIR Pro contain so-called "Directivity Profiles - a set of data derived from several years of research and measurements. (... for more details please see p. 13 ff of "Think MIR!", the manual addendum which covers some of the technical concepts of MIR). They will fit only the instrument - or more precisely: the Vienna Instrument! - they were made for.

    Mixed ensembles are actually against the basic idea of MIR, which relies on the specific interaction of an instrument (or an ensemble of identical instruments) with the acoustics of a chosen Venue. Still you might get useful results by carefully selecting an appropriate General Purpuse profile. They don't use any complex frequency-dependant Directivity Profiles, just simple volume adaptions to created their directivity patterns. Just try to find the one that fits your needs (and your taste). A rule of thumb: The more "room" you want to hear, the less pronounced the directivity should be (i.e. Omni or Broad Cardioid).

    HTH,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • W
    W

     thanks Dietz, that's what I was wondering about.
  • C
    C

    That was a very good question and answer.  Learned something I had been wondering also about sectional setups.

    Maestro2be