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Yes, we're on the same page, and now that I think about it, in 'real life' multi mic'ed recordings they never shave off the earliest or early reflections in the "first tens to hundreds of milliseconds", because they cannot, in 'real life' there is no start offset slider either ;-)
Good night, Dietz, thanks for all your help and thoughts.
Bas
@Dietz said:
YES, we are bad, Cyril. And YES, sometimes we don't answer posts around midnight anymore like I do now. (... see, again not a "NO" as an answer. *roll*) To say it quite clearly: It's not my favourite pastime to dedicate _so_ much attention to someone like you who is badmouthing VSL-staff again and again.
Hi Dietz
I am not badmouthing VSL staff, I have made many time congratulations on how clever your programmer are and how quickly you fix problems and how
5 day ago I, on http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/p/31587/201124.aspx#201124
I said : Thank again for the great thing VSL devellopers are doing, you are one of the rare company that solves the problems quickly and listen to his users
For "Pupitre" I have look into the dictionnary the answer is "desk" ! the strings a "pupitre " in French !
Sorry for my bad English.
best
Cyril
@Bas10 said:
Just as MIRs tone and the tone of voice of your latest post are completely different. Well, probably you just had a bad day or whatever, nothing personal maybe, sorry about that.
May be the solution Is I stop buying VSL products ! [;)]
I have always said MIR is a great product, it is very complex to manipulate and there are no song templates to help and all the manual is in English
When I ask with a lot of politness a question I dont get an answer. You just have to look in this thread, they have anwered all your question and not to mine
Another solution will be to provide a French manual with song templates, there will be less posts.
I have send a lot of time speaking with users, sending them a song templates, sharing there screen using Ichat so they could use MIR PRO
Since my original post starting this thread, I am getting some pretty pleasing results with 3 and even 4 mic positions from MIR Pro. Dietz was indeed right about mixing the mutiple dry signals, so take care of activating "wet only" in the extra MIR instances. Mostly I take the dry signal from the conductor's or 7th row (or equivalent) position, the others all "wet only". One trick that allows me to blend the wet signals from different mic positions, or even different venues, without muddying up the mixed reverb signal, is tweaking some delay plug-ins, one for each "wet only" MIR. In fact this is close to the underlying idea of what Deutsche Grammohphon was doing with its legendary 3D and 4D CD recordings, sliding the multiple mic signals in time to optmize for clarity and localisation.
Karel warned for added latency using this approach. There's indeed some added latency, but nowhere near unworkable territory, at least for me, I am no drummer though, but I can still happily play Rachmaninov in a mutli-miced hall without latency issues. By the way, if you run your close staging the way you run a single VEpro+MIRpro instance and on top of that also output the instruments' (un-MIR-ed) direct signals to the DAW (not the MIR dry signals!), then you can bus those instrument signals from the DAW to the extra MIRs, in which case only those extra MIRs would have added latency in relation to the instruments' signals , which you can then incorporate again in the timing settings for the delay plug-ins mentioned above.
