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  4. Is this normal MIR PRO automation issues?
  • K
    K

    First of all: the Dummy parameters should be left alone. They are there for technical reasons (enabling MIDI CC input), not to get automated directly.

    The VE Pro plugin works like any VST3 instrument with automatable parameters, so I'm not really sure what the problem is. It sounds like an user error related to the host you're using. It helps to describe in exact steps from starting up Cubase to encountering the problem, so I can either point out the error or reproduce it.
  • C
    C

    Good stuff Karel, and of course this could be user error :)!  I will stay away from dummy parameters and try to setup regular parameter automation points.

    When you say, a step by step, is my first post of this thread not detailed enough to reproduce it?  I thought that's what I provided.  (I don't use Cubase, I use Studio One).

    I am going to make a short video clip movie for you to watch, that would be probably 10,000 teims more explanatory so you can visually see what I am doing, and watch the results.  Give me a few moments to finish the video.

    Thanks,

    Maestro2be
  • K
    K

    Thanks, a video is usually the best way to show these things indeed.
  • C
    C

    Ok thanks, here is the video.  In the video you can see that I tested both Dummy and Parameter.  I just want to know how to stop having it engage all tracks of VE PRO at once.  If I create other tracks that are not VE PRO they do not engage.

    http://www.mediafire.com/?lce3j5qnb7b3zj6

    Maestro2be
  • K
    K

    Thanks for the video. I don't know about the automation mode being linked like that, but I'm sure the Studio One manual has some information about that (it's not related to VE Pro). I see what you really want to do is automate MIDI CC though, and you're looking at the plugin's automatable parameters (which are unrelated to MIDI altogether). You should check the Studio One manual on how to send MIDI CC data to a VST3 instrument plugin.
  • C
    C

    Thanks Karel, I have a few things for you/

    1.  When I instantiate a VST3 version of MIR PRO 5, it does not allow me to see any of the midi parameters in the automation lanes (Studio One calls these, "Instrument Part Automation").  I can pick "parameters" and "Dummy" lanes only.  If I load a VST2 version of VE PRO, I get true MIDI CC automation lanes.  This is why I was picking the dummy parameters.  let me show you this short video of what I am talking about.

    http://www.mediafire.com/?ddiqi4mhlef8ouo

    2.  Does this look like the side effects of a DAW that doesn't handle VST3 MIDI support?  In the video you will see it doesn't even recognize midi at all.  You will see the two different lanes (the MIDI CC lanes are the lanes you see in the video in the "EDIT" window at the bottom.  Not the lanes you see when I click the "Automation" screen in the arrange window.

    3.  In regards to all tracks simultaneously engaging the same automation mode, I tested your "this isn't a VE PRO issue" and I can replicate it in Kontakt 4 and 5.  The initial issue in comparison was I was always picking multi-timbral styled VE's compared to SINGLE versions of other plug-ins.  When I created a Multi-Timbral 16 channel Kontakt Plug-in you can clearly see the exact same behavior with the "engaging all tracks simultaneously". So this definitely seems DAW related if your other DAWs dont do this (can you please confirm for me)?

    Thanks,

    Maestro2be
  • K
    K

    I don't have Studio One to try it out here, but it definitely seems host implementation related. You should check how to send MIDI CC messages to a VST3 instrument plugin in Studio One.
  • S
    S
    With respect I think you should invest in a copy of Studio One! This is likely to become a popular choice of DAW and you should be keen to ensure your product functions correctly with it. Kind regards Stuart
  • C
    C

    So I read the entire manual, the forums and finally got a hold of Presonus on the phone.  Their answers about this:

    1.  For now, the naming is messed up and you have to choose "the dummy parameters to send CC midi data".  They will be addressing this.

    2.  Activating automation for every single instance of a plug-in at once, I did a video for them and they said they are going to look into this.  I told them for now I am getting around it by using only LATCH, as then it won't destroy my other channels during live playback entering (since I do mine in realtime, not drawing it in with my mouse etc).

    3.  I gave them the email to support and they are going to initiate contact about these issues to help resolve them.

    You said that technically it's not a good idea to use the dummy channels, but the only other option I have is to go back to using the VST2 version and use many different MIR instances compared to just one.  Which one is the better alternative, to use dummy channels for Midi CC data to VE PRO 5, or to to use the VST2 version and multiple instances?

    Maestro2be
  • K
    K

    The dummy parameters should work just fine in that case.