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  • Vienna Ensemble Pro and Logic 9.1.6 - Can't Get Liftoff With Four MIDI Instruments - Is It Me?

    I am proud new owner of VE Pro (incl. MIR).

    I have existing session in Logic with four instances of Kontakt 5. I am not using them in multi-timbral fashion, i.e. I am sending on just one MIDI channel in each of these 4 instrument tracks. Logic runs in 32 bit.

    I created new instance of Vienna Ensemble Pro in 64 bit (latest build) and set up these 4 Kontakt instances there. I deleted Kontakt plug-ins from these four instrument tracks in my Logic session (each instrument track still contains the relevant MIDI data). Despite my innate male wiring, I actually read and studied the manual very carefully and followed it as closely as possible. I set each instance of Kontakt to "omni" mode, and each track in VE Pro to have its own MIDI port (ports 1-4).

    The first instrument track that I "assigned" to my VE Pro instance works reasonably well, although there have been sporadic MIDI glitches and there seems to be a bit of latency.

    As I assign the remaining three instrument tracks (using the "event" plug-in), I'm having nothing but trouble. The MIDI on the first track is still working reasonably well, but I'm getting terrible MIDI performance on the other three instrument tracks with notes locking up or not sounding at all, and terrible latency.

    I tried redoing this whole affair with a 32-bit instance of VE Pro, but that didn't help.

    The display from my "Activity Monitor" suggests that I am not over-loading my CPU, memory, or hard-drive through-put.

    Before I sink a lot more time into this - are there known problems with Logic? If so, please just tell me and I'll convert this session over to Protools. Although, I guess I should ask - are there known problems with Protools?

    Or, if it sounds like this ought to work, what else should I look into to get lift-off?

    Thanks!

    Steve

    My Mac is Intel, 2 x 2.8 quad-core; 18 GB RAM; OSX 10.6.8


    Large Vienna Library all on SSD, Protools/Carbon on M1 MacBook Pro, OSX Monterey 12.7, Steinway D, Rhodes Mk8-FX, Osmose, Moog One, Trigon 6-DT, OB-X8, Prophet 10 rev4, OB-6-DT, Kawai VPC-1
  • I just reviewed the prior thread "VE PRo Plus Logic = Silence" and that helped me.

    About halfway through the thread it is explained that the Utility plug-in that sets input/output and then is "bypassed" needs to be on the original track in which you first assign VE Pro as well as the other tracks that are assigned through the "event" plug-in. But the jury is still out as to whether everything is performing as it should.

    Is Protools a more reliable DAW to use with VE Pro at this point?

    Thanks,

    Steve


    Large Vienna Library all on SSD, Protools/Carbon on M1 MacBook Pro, OSX Monterey 12.7, Steinway D, Rhodes Mk8-FX, Osmose, Moog One, Trigon 6-DT, OB-X8, Prophet 10 rev4, OB-6-DT, Kawai VPC-1
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    @strytten said:

    The first instrument track that I "assigned" to my VE Pro instance works reasonably well, although there have been sporadic MIDI glitches and there seems to be a bit of latency.

    As I assign the remaining three instrument tracks (using the "event" plug-in), I'm having nothing but trouble. The MIDI on the first track is still working reasonably well, but I'm getting terrible MIDI performance on the other three instrument tracks with notes locking up or not sounding at all, and terrible latency.

    For the best result :

    - You must send Midi on the VSL instrument that you "assign" to the VE PRO, this instrument is used receive  audio from VSL PRO 

    - You must send all your midi thru VSL EVENT midi instrument

    - You must put the I/O plug in on all the VSL instrument (when you use 7.1, Logic does not allow the I/O plug-in !!!! very strange !!!)

    After you need to set the buffers, there I cannot help, I have ask rules, no answer from VSL.

    - When using VE pro server I have set Logic with 1024 and Large buffer, VSL at 1048 too but with 0 buffer the buffer in Directory Manager is set to 3xxx (I am not in front of my DAW computer)

    - When you use VE PRO standalone you must set those parameter differently

    Hope that's help


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
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    @strytten said:

    The first instrument track that I "assigned" to my VE Pro instance works reasonably well, although there have been sporadic MIDI glitches and there seems to be a bit of latency.

    As I assign the remaining three instrument tracks (using the "event" plug-in), I'm having nothing but trouble. The MIDI on the first track is still working reasonably well, but I'm getting terrible MIDI performance on the other three instrument tracks with notes locking up or not sounding at all, and terrible latency.

    For the best result :

    - You must NOT send Midi on the VSL instrument that you "assign" to the VE PRO, this instrument is used to receive  audio from VSL PRO 

    - You must send all your midi thru VSL EVENT midi instrument

    - You must put the I/O plug in on all the VSL instrument (when you use 7.1, Logic does not allow the I/O plug-in !!!! very strange !!!)

    After you need to set the buffers, there I cannot help, I have ask rules, no answer from VSL.

    - When using VE pro server I have set Logic with 1024 and Large buffer, VSL at 1048 too but with 0 buffer the buffer in Directory Manager is set to 3xxx (I am not in front of my DAW computer)

    - When you use VE PRO standalone you must set those parameter differently

    Hope that's help


    MacBook Pro M3 MAX 128 GB 8TB - 2 x 48" screen --- Logic Pro --- Mir Pro 3D --- Most of the VI libs, a few Synch... libs --- Quite a few Kontakt libs --- CS80 fanatic
  • Merci Cyril!


    Large Vienna Library all on SSD, Protools/Carbon on M1 MacBook Pro, OSX Monterey 12.7, Steinway D, Rhodes Mk8-FX, Osmose, Moog One, Trigon 6-DT, OB-X8, Prophet 10 rev4, OB-6-DT, Kawai VPC-1
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    @strytten said:

    Is Protools a more reliable DAW to use with VE Pro at this point?

    In my opinion, yes. I've used it in Cubase (works well, but had some maxing-out issues when running a lot of instances (17+)), very well in PT and barely usble in Logic (last time I tried - late last year - I'm here to see if things have improved...)